ATO help please

Bluephish13

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About to order the BRS 50 ml doser and setup a ato with basement reservoir. I have no idea's about ato's never used one. I have only heard horror stories of them getting stuck.

so what are the reliable ato units?

And any suggestions on the best way to run this setup would be appreciated.
 
Lot's of folks use a timer, and then use observation and salinity testing to adjust the timing as needed. Another way is to use a float switch that turns on when the level is too low. Some also turn the switch off when the level is too high (to prevent over filling)

I've been using the spectrapure float switch for a few years, glued to a magnet (why do companies even bother with suction cups?) I store ATO in a 5 gal bucket and refill every 2-3 days, depending on evaporation. The smaller vessel prevents the setup from significantly over filling my system.
 
start with the pump - what size tank are you topping off? do you have an amount per day that you currently top off?

for the control - do you have a controller ReefKeer/Apex? are you looking for an all in one solution?
 
I will be topping off a 90g display. 120g total system volume.

Evap is 1-1.5 gallons a day depending on the water level i keep in my sump and time of year.

I have a AC JR.
Anything i can do with the ac jr besides timed on/off intervals?

my plan
I like the idea of a dual float one to control water level one for safety, and limiting reservoir size. I was just planning on a basic dual float controller kit. Then i was just going to hook up a brs 50 ml doser 20 ft head from basement sounds like plenty. I Only have a few feet up and over to go with the line. Seems like a simple setup. If you have a better idea please tell.

thanks
 
I like having two float switches wired in series as the trigger. Once triggered top off for a period of time like 5 minutes and force the pump off for 15 minutes (sample numbers)

Also add a high switch that overrides everything.

Be sure to replace the tubing for the brs pump every 6 months
 
hey blurry i can get a autotopoff.com dual float set up locally. It fills like you said from the bottom float to the top float(only 2 floats). It has the latching upgrade without the 3rd safety float. Would i be able to just wire in a 3rd BRS standard float as my safety. You know anything about them top off kits? I can get a good price new and local so i would like to grab that one if it will work for my application.
 
Pascal, just curious, why do you replace the BRS tubing every 6 months? Does it get brittle, or clog, or pinch closed over time?
 
hey blurry i can get a autotopoff.com dual float set up locally. It fills like you said from the bottom float to the top float(only 2 floats). It has the latching upgrade without the 3rd safety float. Would i be able to just wire in a 3rd BRS standard float as my safety. You know anything about them top off kits? I can get a good price new and local so i would like to grab that one if it will work for my application.

I've never played with the autotopoff.com stuff. looking on there page it looks like standard stuff with a simple controller. not saying anything bad about it, your apex can do all the same stuff.

the setup I was suggesting and personally use:

high level float switch -> to controller
top everything and send alarm if activated (has a second benefit that it will tell you if the return pump ever failed due to the increase in water level from the sump.​
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add water float switch
when triggered add water for x seconds, then force off for y seconds. in a nutshell you are waiting for a low condition and toping off using time instead of an upper switch. more reliable than using an upper switch​

double switch
same as single switch to activate topoff, except two switches in a row. take the lead from one switch and connect to the other switch. make sure that the supper switch is normally closed (contact closed) and the lower is open when up. the idea is that the upper switch is just a pass through, but if the lower ever got stuck closed, the upper will cut it off and start working as your only float switch. you will visually be able to tell (has happened to me more than once. when it does happen replace the lower float switch. using a multimeter makes this setup much easier. the digital aquatics float switch bracket can hold two switches, one up and one down.​

sump low protect
my favorite float switch - if the sump runs low turn the return pump off for a 5 minutes and send an alarm​

in summary using the apex is nice because you get alarms if you have the network hooked up
 
Pascal, just curious, why do you replace the BRS tubing every 6 months? Does it get brittle, or clog, or pinch closed over time?

they just stop pushing water after a while. BRS says 12 months at 2 hours per day (http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/store/brs-top-off-doser-50-ml-per-minute.html).

2 hours = 120 minutes * 50ml/min = 6000ml = 1.6 gallons/day

problem is that when they go you might not notice and inevitably it happens while you are not home. so i replace every 6 months to be safe. at $10/tube it's not a big deal. one time my tube went and they were out of stock for 2 moths, that sucked!
 
I learn something new every day. I've never changed the hoses on my drews dosers either, and BRS recommends every 2 years for those (I'm on 4). I need to order some before I have a problem, and I'll pick up some backups for the drews and ATO just to be safe.
 
thanks for the info

do you think the 50ml pumps need more tube replacements because they run faster? Is it just more wear or is it a quality thing compared to the drews doser that ben has.


oh wait NM i see you answered it.
 
anything i can do with a ac jr?(no apex)

actually now that i think about it my controller came with a float and some computer hook ups, but could never use it with my mac mini. lol, ill go check that stuff out again and the neptune manual.
 
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