Base Rock?

peircer

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I've been reading about this for a couple of weeks. I'm upgrading my 75 to a 125 and I'll need more rock. I was looking at this place: http://www.reeferrocks.com/baserock/index.htm and I've been reading about live rock a lot in general. So my question is this:

Does base rock become real honest to goodness live rock? I realize that if you put any rock/sand into a tank it eventually becomes hosted with beneficial bacteria, algae, etc. But I remember reading somewhere that the real benefit of live rock and why it was such a revolution in reef keeping is that because it's porous it has denitrifying properties because it has anaerobic bateria areas. Will any porous rock become live rock given time? Like lava rock, lace rock, the stuff that website sell?
 
The stuff reeferrocks sells was once infact live rock (to my knowledge) It may take some time to repopulate but I do beleive that it should become full blown LR down the road.

Josh
 
I have had some experience with base rock and can tell you the following.



The base rock you use can only become as "live" as whatever seeds it. If, for instance, you took some "stones" and a piece of live rock from an established tank and put them together, anything that reproduces well in an aquarium and was on the live rock would eventually populate the stones. Anything that doesn't reproduce easily, won't end up on the stones. The good news is, that for the most part anything that doesn't reproduce well won't remain on any live rock for very long. So the demand that things reproduce doesn't affect the base rock much.

You could even get by without seeding the rock at all. If you used 100% base rock and no sand or anything at all, the rock would still function as a biological filter eventually. Bacteria will find thier way into the tank whether you introduce them on purpose or not. On the other hand, it would never acquire any of the sponges, coralline algae, fether dusters, etc that normally are on good quality live rock. Its interesting to note that even in such a sterile setup, you would probably introduce lots of life every time you added a coral. Just the water in the bag, or the plugs or rock will end up seeding your tank. The only problem is that, since you would be counting on reproduction to populate your tank's rock and starting with an incredibly tiny original population, you will be waiting a long time.


So, the idea is to simply start with nearly all base rock and then add a piece of rock from a fellow reefers tank. The only things you need to look at when choosing the rock is how porous it is, and the shape/size. If the base rock is porous and you added a 1/4 lb piece of live rock from somebody else's tank, then your rock will become just as live as anyone else's.


I can tell you that it will be tough to find good base rock nowadays. Hirocks.com went out of business, although their rocks where not porous enough. Reeferrocks seems to be closed. Their website claims they are reopening, but they haven't returned any of my emails or phone calls in the last few weeks. I am currently trying to get rocks from marcorocks.com but they seem too expensive, and I have been waiting for pics for over a week. The owner keeps telling me he will send them in the morning, but he never does. Doesn't sound like somebody to give your money to.

If you find anyone to buy from, let me know your experiences. You should also consider making you own rocks. I have not done it, but other GIRS members have and have been pleased with their results.


Here is a pic of my tank before it crashed. About half of that rock started as base rock. I don't think you can tell which pieces I paid $8lb for and what I paid $1 for.
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Brad
 
A couple years ago I went to buy a 125 gallon tank that was listed in the paper very cheap.. The guy said it was used as a saltwater setup but hadn't been used in a few years.
When I got to his house he kept bringing stuff out from closets the basement and the garage to add to the growing pile.
Then as I'm loading everything up he says I also have some rock that used to be live rock that you can have if you want, I said sure thinking it would be a few rocks, It was well over 400lbs of rock in all shapes and sizes, Some of the rocks weighed 30-40lbs.
It was bleached white from sitting for so long.
I setup the tank using that rock and Southdown sand so it was about as sterile as you can get, I bought a few lbs from the local LFS and within two months I started seeing it all come to life, After six months everything was covered with coraline and feather dusters and sponges. After one year I couldn't tell you what rock came from the LFS anymore.
 
Ok, that'd been bugging me. Thanks guys. I have about 30 lbs of live rock and about another 30 of lace rock I got in from the Fish Shack in Manchester that I was using as sort of the ledge underneath the live rock in my 75 and everything's doing ok so far. Oh, and two of the "reef scupltures" from GARF. I can't say I'm incredibly happy with those. They make great caves, but one of them looks like a cow pie... And I could have bought live rock for the same price. I'm keeping the fish load very low in the meantime. If I find any base rock I'll let you know, but it sounds like I'm just going to end up getting more live rock when I find some for sale reasonably...

I might try making my own rocks. A friend of mine (keeps freshwater stuff) is very handy, he's welded stands and stuff for me and has a huge shed to work in. We talked about making rocks some day just to see if we could do it.
 
Well, I got some base rocks from Marcorocks.com. The shipping was very resonable and it arrived the next day. That really shocked me. The rocks look great. They're definitly not 100% dead rocks, I stuck them in the new tank (that isn't running yet, just heater and water and a power head) and the water turned yellow and it smells like someone took a leak in it. So I guess it's leaching out dead organic material. I'm very happy with the shipping and the rocks.
 
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