BB vs. SB. what is your experience?

Naperville Reef

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i am having all sorts of problems with algae. a little bit of hair (not much), some mysterious black algae that has taken over my rocks and some macro that just started growing out of nowhere. the black algae has pretty much, imo, ruined my tank.

my SPS is starting to fad in color. i added a phosphate reactor a few months ago and it has had little effect on the algae. i do 15% water changes once a week. use ro/di water. i do not over feed. also, i grow cheato in a fuge.

i'm starting to think that my problems are stemming from my SB (about 2 - 3 inches). thinking of fragging all my SPS, buying new rock and starting over with a BB. but i do not particularly like the look of a BB tank.

any suggestions? experiences?

thanks
rob
 
Rob,

I would not throw your rock out. I would "cook" your rock. I'm sure you've seen the threads on here about it, if not I'll post a direct link to the "how to" thread. That black algae was on my Bali rock. I cooked my rock for 6 weeks and it eliminated it. It also cleaned up the rock itself of other algae it had on it.

I love BB tanks. I keep every tank I own BB, even my aggressive fish tank. They are so much easier to keep clean, wether you like the way they look or not. That aside you can be successful with your sand.

Since you like the way sand looks this is how I would approach your situation. I would remove half of your rock and cook it for 6 weeks then swap it for the other half of the rock and cook it. In the mean time I would remove about 25% of your sand with each regular water change until it was gone. After all the sand is gone, I would replace it with new sand. You'll probably have some nitrate battles during this, don't panic it happends. Just keep your levels below 30 and you should be fine. If you're uncomfortable about your corals, let someone hold them for you or at least a frag of everything just in case. I would recommend you run ROWA's or something from here on out to help keep the water PO4 free. Increase your flow as well. You can have a ton of flow even with a sand bottom, if you set it up right.
 
thanks for the reply, i appreciate it.

if you have the time could you post the link on how to cook rock? did you have any recurring problems with the black algae from your sand, fuge or anywhere else? my fear is that i miss a tiny spot of the algae and it takes over my tank again.
 
Originally posted by SeanT
The purpose of "cooking" your rocks is to have the bacteria consume all (or as much) organic material and PO4 stored on, and in, the rock as possible.

The first step to this is commitment.
You have to be willing to remove your rock from the tank.
It doesn't have to be all at once, but I feel if you are going to do this do it all. In stages if that is easier but make sure that all of it gets done.

The new environment you are creating for your rock is to take it from an algal driven to a bacterial driven system.
In order to do this, the rock needs to be in total darkness to retard and eventually kill the algae's on the rock and to give the bacteria time to do the job.

So basically you need tubs to hold the rock.

Equipment needed.
1. Dedication.
2. Tubs to cook rock in. And an equal amount of tubs to hold the rock during waterchanges.
3. A few powerheads.
4. Plenty of buckets.
5. A smug feeling of superiority that you are taking it to "the next level."
6. Saltwater, enough made up to follow the instructions below and to replenish your tank after removing rocks.
Here are the steps:

1. Get into your head and accept the fact you will be making lots of salt water if you aren't lucky enough to have access to filtered NSW.
2. Explain to significant other what is going on so they don't flip out. This process can take up to 2 months. Prepare them in advance so he/she can mark it on the calendar and that they won't nag about it until that date arrives.
3. Setup a tub(s) where the rock is to be cooked. Garages are great for this.
4. Make up enough water to fill tub(s) about halfway and around 5-7 buckets about 60% full.
5. Remove all the rock you want to cook at this stage. (The rock can be removed piece by piece until you are done.) I suggest shutting off the circulation beforehand to minimize dust storms.
6. Take the first piece of rock and dunk it, swish it, very, very well in the first bucket. Then do it again in the 2nd bucket, then the third.
7. Place rock in the tub.
8. Repeat steps 6 & 7 to every piece of rock you want to cook at this time. The reason I suggested 5-7 buckets of water will be evident quickly...as the water quickly turns brown.
9. Place powerhead(s) in the tub and plug in. Position at least one powerhead so that it agitates the surface of the water pretty well. This is to keep the water oxygenated. You can use an air pump for additional oxygenation if you wish. Only one powerhead per tub is needed. Remember the powerheads main responsibility is the oxygenation of the water.
10. Cover the tub. Remember, we want TOTAL darkness.
11. Empty out buckets, restart circulation on main tank.
12. Wait.
13. During the first couple of weeks it is recommended to do a swishing and dunking of the rocks twice a week.
What this entails is to make up enough water to fill up those buckets and the tub the rock is in.
First, lay out your empty tub(s) and fill buckets the same as before.
Then, uncover tub with the rock in it. Take a rock and swish it in the tub it's in to knock any easy to get off junk.
Then, swish it thru the 3 buckets again, and place in the empty tub..
Repeat for all your rocks.
Then empty the tub that all the rocks were cooking in, take it outside and rinse it out with a hose.
Place tub back where it was, fill with new saltwater, add rocks and powerheads, and cover.
Wait again until the next water change.
You will be utterly amazed at how much sand, silt, detritus is at the bottom of the tub and every bucket. It is amazing.
At times the stench was so strong I gagged.

How it works:

Some FAQ's.
When re-introducing the rock to my tank, a month or two from now, should I do that in parts to help minimize any cycling effect(s)...if there are any?
I never have. Really after a very short while, the ammonium cycle has been established. That's not what you're worry about though, it's the stored phosphates and that you have to wait it out.
When they are producing very little detritus - you'll know - then I would use them all at once.

Would running Carbon filtration and/or a PO4 reducing media help/hurry/hinder the process?
I wouldn't fool with it. You don't want the detritus to sit there long enough to rot, release water soluble P again. You want to take it out while it's still locked up in that bacterial detritus.

I would say that 85% of my exposed rock had Bryopsis (hair algae) covering it.
There isn't a single visible strand on any rocks my tank now.
Remember, the key is patience. Let this process run its course.

And a few last minute tidbits I remembered.
Your coralline will die back, recede etc.
My thoughts on this are GREAT!
Now my rock is more porous for additional pods, mysids, worms etc.
Coralline will grow back.
Throughout this process the sponges, and pods on my rock have not died off.
Every time I do a water change they are there and plentiful.

Here's a good thread on the subject
 
thanks for all the info mike. i am going to read up on it.

for those of you with BB how do you stabilize the rocks so they don't collapse????
 
It's not that much different from having sand in the tank. I balance the rocks against each other.

These are from right after I set my tanks up 2 months ago. I'll get better pics with more detail of the rockwork tomorrow.

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