Best Controller ?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14856006#post14856006 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by luisagos

Next month GHL is releasing first time products.

AC dimmable ballast control the first controller to be able to dim any wattage T5HO 110V ballast with AC dimming (readily available)

I really don't see how RKE compare to this even with APEX, they are already behind.

And yet again, spouting off untrue information as facts. The RKE system can dim dimmable ballasts.

I take it that you base the quality of customer support solely on how often the company is on RC answering questions? Look on the Digital Aquatics support site before you start saying that they don't answer questions on the weekend. You tire me out Louis. I give up. The Profilux is the best controller in the world, is first in producing everything, never fails, and can probably fix you a cup of coffee. I am sure the a module will be coming out soon to do that. I'm done with this debate, mostly because it isn't a debate anyway. You will gain a lot more respect by being more open minded, but I really don't think that's gonna happen. Have a nice day.
 
Dave focus,



Why would I mention a product that dims 1-10v?
Most controllers have that now, to a certain degree.

Focus on the bold
AC dimmable ballast control the first controller to be able to dim any wattage T5HO 110V ballast with AC dimming

AC dimming= A socket with the ability to dim ac power.
 
To Control or Not to Control

To Control or Not to Control

Okay here's the scoop... I'm down to RKE and ProFiLux but now thinking seriously as to what I really need (or just want) and as with most "computer" stuff if you buy too much today, by the time you actually need go to use it it will be obsolete...

Here's what I've got:
One 28 gallon Nano with some starter SPS and a couple clown fish (to keep the kids happy).

Tank came with two power heads and a cheapo wave-maker that if you lose power it turns both pumps on util manually reset. Also on the tank are LED (moon), CF, and MH lights, 1 Koralia #1, and 2 Koralia nanos, a Saphire protein skimmer, and CPR Refugium. Chiller and Auto top off are also on here.

I was hoping to use the "controller" to ditch the multiple analog timers for the various lighting phases, have a one botton operation to kill pumps during feeding (could just use a separate power strip), also wanted a wave-maker and ATO that are more reliable.

The hearter and chiller both use their own/stock thermostats and I figured the computer controller would be better.

As for water chemistry - Its probably because I dont have much life in the tank right now, but the tank seems pritty stable with regards to pH, Salinty, amonia, nitrate, nitrite, calcium. But when I add more corals and a few more fish I expect things will be a little more wigged out. At this point in time (tank 2 months old) I am able to go 2 weeks and do a 5 gallon water change and have all the chemistry numbers stay solid... So for right now perhaps I dont need any digital monitoring and probably overkill to have some automatic dosing ???

Sure the digital monitoring and web/email access would be cool to see how tank is performing and given that I travel a lot would give me a bit more piece of mind to know that things are stable...

So for now as i do my research on controllers I'm seeing that I could just get by with what I have; however...

My fear is that I buy something today for the system that I have, down the road I can see possibly needing some dosing equipment after the tank is fully populated, but all the realy cool tools/toys wont be needed until I get the bigger tank and I'm not certain how long thats going to be.

If I get a controller that says it will do everything that I could possible want, even if I dont need it on my tank - wont that controller be obsolete by the time I really need it?

This is where expandability really comes into play - being able to get what I need today and have the system grow with me as my tank(s) grow. Sure it would be cool to have top-of the line, almost fully automatied tank - but thers not -that much room on a Nano28 :)

Given the above perspective, suggestions ?

Thanks
 
balloonpilot,

I ran for years without a controller. I first would manualy turn on
and off everything. Later I got analog timers, then later yet digital timers.

Honestly when I had a smaller tank most of it was an easy task.

Along the line I thought it would be cool to automate it some
of it (top off, lights, temp etc.) it did make it a little less work.

I now have a 180 gallon tank, it uses about 3 gallons
a day in top off so ATO is almost a must.

But even on this tank when I first set it up I ran all
but the lighting manualy, so it can be done.


So the real answer to your question is NO you don't Need a
controller, does it make maintaining it little easier, Yes it can.


In your position would I spend prime dollars for all the toys,
Honestly NO.

A few Walmart timers, and a simple ATO would do.

Or something like a ReefKeeper Lite would work fine, and the
modules would be able to work with the elite if you ever wanted
one. That not be 100 % best solution since you would have to
re-buy the head.

So you could just go with the one of the more base RKE
packages, that puts you inthe RKE path and withall the
money you save you can spend it on Fish or taking your
kids out to the movies.


So in the end I would personally choose a basic RKE, or just
simple timers and blow the cash I saved on my wife and kids.


I just did that a few weeks ago and got a new puppy.

Lets see blow a bunch of cash in redoing all my lights or
on a puppy, and shots, and toys, and crate, and .......

Even thought the puppy is like having a two year old all over
again, I think the puppy was a much better choice over the lights.

My family sure enjoys her more than new lights, and honestly so don't I.


Before you plop down your hard earned money give it all some
real thought as to what you really need and not just want.

I wish you well in your choice.


PS: Puppies are easier to play fetch with ;)
 
Mr_Harry

I agree w/ you.. For the tank I have, hundreds of dollars on a controller is overkill, but I was thinking if it could make keeping the tank a little easier (when Im out of town and the GF gets to do everything) - then it would be worth it.

So buying a certain level of control now, that can be expanded when I have the bigger tank and need to monitor pH/calcium/etc and control those levels is where I want to end up.... I just dont want to seem like I'm throwing money away on todays controller.
 
I think one thing to remember is that even though a controller can control all aspects of your tank, it is still one source of failure. No matter what manufacturer you have.

Even though I've considered switching my Tunze to Koralias since AQ makes a controller for them (I believe they will come out with a Tunze controller for the AQ in the future) I've decided it is not the best decision.
If there is a power failure I have my Tunze and Tunze controller connected to an APC Smart Ups and it keeps them running for probably 6-7 hours. This ensures my tank circulation continues during the power outage which is critical for corals to survive. I've experienced a couple of long outages over the winter and everything survived.
Instead of a controller I suggest you spend your money on contingency plans in case of a problem like on a small UPS for your setup. Keeping these animals in a stable environment should be the highest priority in the event of failures.

DaveMorris I'm with you on luisagos ability to point out fault in other manufactures units other than the profilux. As far as I'm concerned it's all hearsay and you should let people come to there own conclusion by the research they do.
 
I bought the RKE when it 1st came out. I had one problem with the system time. Sent it in to them they fixed it fast. I haven't had any problems since.

The early firmware release was not the best, however it has drastically improved and now there is a great interface with lots of options.

I would recommend the RKE!
 
Re: Re: Profilux or RKE

Re: Re: Profilux or RKE

That gives you the 16 outlets, the pH, Temp and QRP Probe
and the two switch contacts for float sensors.

I think you meant ORP, unless you are a ham radio operator :)

73's de aa3kn
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14856825#post14856825 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by talon4x4
Why not just start out with something small and cheap and see if you need more. You can find plenty of ACJr's out there used for cheap. I have one running my 90gal mixed reef and love it. Right now its controlling all my lights (MH,actinic,moon), my heaters, pumps and ATO. The best part I got it for $125. If I want something bigger and better I could easily resell it for the $125 I paid and upgrade to something more. The unit I have came with a temp probe,pH probe and an 8-plug power strip.

I also know of one TOTM that uses just an ACJr, so it goes to show simple can be better. :D

This is certainly an option for some readers on this thread to consider.
Very low entry cost. Used ones go typically for $150-$200, sometimes as low as $100 for third or fourth hand units.

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But what about us RKE guys.....
 
hi - new to controllers but think i'm going to get the Profilux.

can someone help me understand how this setup will work re: ATO?

do i need a separate autotopoff unit that the profilux will then control or do i buy a pump and some tubes and sensors and program the profilux to control this or is there an ATO module for the profilux???? any help will be appreciated.

the stuff i want to do now with profilux are:
monitor salinity
monitor temp
monitor ph
autotopoff
light scenarios for led lights
see all this on my iphone

for now that's all i want but want to have upward mobility.
 
Just need the sensors, the brackets and a pump.

Profilux has the advance ATO software functions built in.
Water change
Alarms for leakage detection
Programmable logic functionality for any type of configuration
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14863693#post14863693 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by luisagos
Just need the sensors, the brackets and a pump.

Profilux has the advance ATO software functions built in.
Water change
Alarms for leakage detection
Programmable logic functionality for any type of configuration

Im I reading this correctly. Profilux has a program built in to do water changes ?:eek2:
 
As a side-note for people looking to buy a controller, I've recently spoken with the folks at Profilux and the guy I spoke with had incredible knowledge of the industry and of his product. The controller is expensive and I was on the fence because my needs are relatively simple at this point but after speaking with them and seeing how well they know their stuff, their willingness to answer ALL of my questions and spend quality phone-time, how focused they are on the customer experience - I'm now sure that Profilux is the way I'll be going for a controller.
 
jonnybravo22,

I'll second that opinion! I knew Profilux was expensive, I read the debates/discussions. I looked around at some of the competition and noted several things right off:

1) Quick to market - get product out so competition cant sell to the customers. But this ends up making the customers the beta-testers... Which would be ok if they offered the units cheaper to the 1st x hundred for thier time. But rolling something out just to roll it out and claim market share then fix later isnt what I wanted. I need something reliable since I'm on the road a lot and and often leave my tank with girlfriend.

2) Reliability of equipment - Saw too many complaints about probes and or modules not working; either dead-on-arrival or some installation issue like you cant get it near other wires or water... I just struck me as these products must be reliable in the environment they were designed for.

Will I ever upgrade to the ProFilux 3? Dont know, right now I probably wont be using 1/2 the stuff that the Plus II EX is coming with - but its a step in the right direction. But I probably will get the version 3 simply to have the net access and webserver.

Good Luck and thanks to all for the insight and knowledge, hopefully I can reply back in the next few weeks with a success story :)
 
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