Best Urchin

Jsteere301

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Might start a debate here...

I for some odd reason take interest in urchin, I think there really weird cool little guys. I seen a few in the past few weeks and when i get my new setup i wanna get a good one, may not really serve a true purpose but just to be part of the community. any recommendations?
 
i live tuxedo urchins, they like to grab thing and put them on- ive seen some with zoa frags on. i had a little one for a while he liked to grab hermits and put them on his head. downside? they much on corraline i have none left but is regrowing and need to be feed nori & seaweed to supplement their diet.
 
none, but if you must have one then i would say long spine black urchin is my favorite. but they get huge.
 
I have a blue tuxedo and a long spined sea urchin in a 90. They hang out together on the back wall. They both look awesome.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13641061#post13641061 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Airwolf75
I keep the common short spine reef urchins, I recommend them. They stay small and dont eat coral ..

lol, and how did you make this conclusion?
 
Good question, I suppose I need some credentials.

Well, I'm a biologist, and Sponsorship Secretary of the Las Vegas Valley Reefers club here in LV, reefkeeper & diver. I went diving on a remote fringing reef in Tobago north of Charlotteville, saw about est. 5000 of them living on the rocks of a small area around Elkhorn Coral, zooanthids, and brain corals. some of the rocks were covered with urchins completely. They had trimmed the hair algae on the rock right up to the edge of the corals. Leaving the corals unharmed. One has to wonder, with such extreme density, why an urchin would not even accidentally eat the coral.

I went home, bought 3 from Pacific East Aquaculture, and got a 4th one later from Atlantis, and they have been living in my 180 gallon reef for about 3 years now. They are still small, and they don't eat coral. There are also other people who say the same thing.

So now I recommend them to people, based on my experience over the past few years. Plus, I like to give an alternative to the long-spine diadema urchins, that grow to be the size of basketballs, have you actually seen how big these get? They're even venomous. Who exactly is keeping this urchin long term? If at all? it's even in books written by experts on the subject that they are great for algae control. A 3ft. diameter ball of posionous sharp spines for algae control, that doesn't sound all that great to me.
 
Diadema are not venomous and I know liveaquaria says they are they can only inflict painful wounds in you with their spines.
 
I have a 120g sump that has had a diadema living it for 3.5 years, it's possible to keep them alive long term. They do get big but are amazing creatures if you have room for them. They are venemous, but it's a pretty weak venom, I have been stung and the pain was not too intense, it was the itching that really bothered me and even that only lasted 20-30 min at the most. It's not like being stung by a large lionfish.

Janna
 
I like the common rock burrowing urchins:
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I actually took a person to the hospital once for a diadema urchin sting, they are venomous, and your reaction to the sting will vary from person to person, some quite severe. They had to remove the spines with minor surgery.
 
The diadema is not venomous. The spines are covered with bacteria and other organisms which cause the swelling so does any small fragments of the spines that don't come out after being punctures.
The diadema is not venomous it is the bacteria and organisms that it has. The surgery was probably to remove the spines.
 
I've had reactions just to scrapes in my tank. Mild dermatitis but some people are much more allergic and have crazier reactions and it can feel like a sting sometimes when it happens. Sounds like accidentally getting poked by the spines of diadema puts you in a very similar place.

You need to be careful of what happens but if you're like me and have mild reactions always use a triple bac or anti bacterial agent to treat the area so it doesn't turn into something worse. And never be afraid to go to the doc if something gets worse.
 
I believe the Handbook of Clinical Toxicology and Animal Venoms and countless other sources would beg to differ with you. Where is your information coming from?

The diadema is not venomous. The spines are covered with bacteria and other organisms which cause the swelling so does any small fragments of the spines that don't come out after being punctures.
The diadema is not venomous it is the bacteria and organisms that it has. The surgery was probably to remove the spines.
 
I have been punctured a couple of times by my diadema when I was cleaning the glass and nothing really happened it just felt like a needle. If their was poison I would have had to gone to the dr and their would have been swelling because I am highly allergic to bee and spider bites both release venom. I also know that marine invertabrates by Ronald L. Shimek P.H.D. says " Use care when handling: the spines are not venomous, but are capable of inflicting a painful puncture wound. The spines, covered with epithelial tissues and bacteria, break easily into barbed segments that work deeper into wounds." This is why I know their is no venom from personal experience and from Marine Invertabrates.
 
Oh that book is full of unusual statements, for example page 305, Tiger Cowrie is harmless to other invertibrates. It also says Blood Red Fire Shrimp are basically not reef safe, page 243.

Dude, the science world has already extracted the venom from the Diadema urchin, it does exist, you can Google it and dig up medical journal articles, chemistry and biology articles, all about it.

Also remember that many posionous animals can bite, or sting and not envenomate, a rattlesnake can bite, and not inject venom, that still doesn't make it non-posionous.
 
I got this pink/purple (?) pin cushion urchin from another RC member that had it in his crazy reef tank with no problems. Hasn't cause any in my fairly new tank either.

I adore him

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I have a little green urchin that looks similar to the purple one above. It is good for algae control, and kinda funny to see what stuff it will stick too itself. Mine has done everything from hermits to zoas, to rocks close to 1/2 its size.
 
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