Bite marks on acro. AEFW?

[impur]

Been losing acros slowely, begin with recession and just goes from there. Still have great PE, and have PE even on corralites that have lost all the flesh around them. I had thought it was due to my moving the tank to my new house and disturbing the sandbed, thus releasing organics resulting in elevated phosphates. But today i got home and looked at the tank, spotted this frag that looked unusual. What do you think, do i got em?

 

[impur]

I gave it a dip in about 2 cups of water and 3 drops of FWE. Saw typical small FWs i've seen before. Some clear some black, forked tail. Also killed off a lot of the redbugs on this frag, something i have yet to treat for. But if i now the AEFW i'll have to get em both at the same time.

 

[AlgaeMan]

They are definately AEFW bite marks. I think I see eggs at the base in the first pic

 

[impur]

Well..........good news and bad news i suppose. Good news i now know why my SPS are dying. Bad news is whats killing them.

So if i were to remove all my SPS to treat, do i have to remove the montis or do these just prey on acros? What is the best going treatment for them, levimosole? TMPCC? How long must i leave them out of the main display to ensure they are dead in there? I have about 15 small colonies/frags, 5 or so are montis.

 

[clkwrk]

Yes without a doubt ...

 

[gflat65]

Thye shouldn't attack your monti's. I pulled all 55 colonies and treated with Levamisole. No signs of AEFW's, but lost 90% of my acros (one sure fire way to rid them...). I'd give TMPCC a shot first. It seems to cause less stress. I had mine out of the display for four weeks to make sure they were no longer there. All encrustation needs to be removed, too (not always an easy task). Dip and blast weekly for four weeks. Good luck.

 

[poknsnok]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7487644#post7487644 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by AlgaeMan
They are definately AEFW bite marks. I think I see eggs at the base in the first pic

where are those eggs. i have had a monti nudi issue. I see the nudis but still havent seen or ID'd the eggs

 

[Travis]

Yup, I can PROMISE you that damage was caused by AEFW's. Those bite marks a real tell-tale sign. I've never seen bite marks like that without AEFW's. I'd say your plan of action will depend on how many acros you need to treat. If you have a lot, I would go with levamisole. I had good success with 60ppm dips for 6-7 hours. I tried 40ppm dips but that only stunned the adults. I did lose a lot of acros after my first treatment but that was more due to my own fault in how I carried out the treatment. If you only have a handful of acros to treat, then I would go with the TMPCC. Regardless of what treatment you go with, do it once a week for 4 weeks in a quarantine tank.

What you do need to do is remove all acros and any acro tissue from your display for the entire course of the 4 week treatment. From what we know so far, the AEFW's cannot live without an acro host to feed on, but who knows what we will know tomorrow. FWIW, I left all other sps in my display when I treated my acros.

 

[clkwrk]

I am too chicken for the levamisole so I did all my acros inside 2 20gal tanks with 2 layers of egg crate and TMPCC. Larger guys on bottom ,med and frags up top . I did it that way as I was in the process of a tank reaquascape so the corals had to come out anyways........Later on down the road I found them again so back to the dip but this time I just blasted them infront of the tunze for a min while turning the acro every dirrection .......Those that flew off became meals for the wrasses waiting next to me attentivly .After that the coral got the tmpcc treatment and the coral and or rock their on are checked over for eggs. If found they were scrapped off before the dip . Well as of now I have not seen any damage from them and I check my corals twice a day .

My experience with TMPCC has been great and I am happy that one of the first retail fish stores to get some from TM was a LFS near me . This was right in the middle of the I got flatworms you treat them thread. I was having a hardtime with dumping other animal meds in the tank .So TMPCC came to my rescue just in time. I now use the TMPCC on every incoming sps and even montis.

 

[waterfaller1]

What is TMPCC and Levamisole and where do you get them?

 

[impur]

Ok thanks for the info guys, its much appreciated. I'm setting up a 10gal w/ 10gal sump today. I'll move all acros, about 5 colonies and 3 or so frags to the QT for a min of 4 weeks and dip them every week.

 

[otolith]

Be sure to keep us updated and document your treatments along the way. Good luck.

 

[gflat65]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7495583#post7495583 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by waterfaller1
What is TMPCC and Levamisole and where do you get them?

TMPCC is Tropic Marin Pro Coral Cure. You just gott a look around for it. It's out there.

Levamisole HCl is a pig wormer you can get from places like a farmers CO-OP. Mine came in powder form in a large bottle and very little powder (made for mixing/dumping into a pig's water supply).

 

[impur]

Thanks, i will definately update.

I just ordered a few bottles of TMPCC from fragfarmer.com Has anyone tried the anti-fluke medicine on these guys??

 

[clkwrk]

Look for the "got flatworms you treat them thread" by Sean T

 

[dolt]

I am suffering the same plague and was confused on how to make up the levamisole - what is the equivalent of PPM? is that the same as mg/liter? I was trying to figure it out from one of the other threads but never did exactly get how they were getting their numbers

 

[gflat65]

Below is a quote from the SeanT thread on figuring Levamisole HCl amounts. This is what I used, as well as many others when they did the treatments. I went just over the recommended amount, but several others used higher dosages.

"Yes, it will work for the egg laying flatworm.

To calculate drug dose use the following formula:

For 100% active drug:

volume in liters of tank x ppm (drug dosage) / 1000mg/g=#of grams required of the drug

For drugs that have less than 100% active drug, you take the percentage of the active drug (Levamisole hydrochloride is 80% active w/ 20% inert ingredients) and multiply the percentage to the 1000mg/g. So...

volume in L x ppm / 800mg/g = grams of drug

So if your treating a 10 gal tank w/ 40ppm Levamisole its:

37.8L x 40ppm / 800mg/g= 1.89g of Levamisole

Keep in mind, I'm not a vet, I just play one on TV.

Mitch"

HTH

 

[dolt]

thanks - therefore if you just pay attention to the units in the equation PPM has to equal mg/L to get everything to cancel out and be left with a number in grams - does that sound right?