Brooklynella

[snake42490]

I originally thought I was dealing with Velvet, but now I'm thinking it might be brook because of the excess slim coat. I know Formalin is the drug of choice, but this guy doesn't have anyone on hand I have chloroquine phosphate though, I vaguely remember hearing that it treats brook? Can anyone verify this?? Do you know what dosage of the drug I should do?

Thanks!

 

[keithhays]

The only thing it for sure treats is malaria, but it might work for ich.
I don't think anything but formalin works for Brooklynella.

Brooklynella looks more like a web of white slime netting covering the fish than an even layer of slime which could pretty much be anything.

 

[DrPat]

The only thing it for sure treats is malaria, but it might work for ich.
I don't think anything but formalin works for Brooklynella.

Brooklynella looks more like a web of white slime netting covering the fish than an even layer of slime which could pretty much be anything.

I treated brook with hypo of 1010 the fish also had ick and I treated them with copper power. Brook kills rapidly but it's dies at 1010. The fish infected last Cured the first infected died. Do not use formalin On fish with open wounds it will kill them.

 

[snake42490]

I woke up this morning to a dead Blue Hippo, I took a couple pictures and thought I would have you guys look and verify if you see brook or not. Let me know what you think this is! Received fish on Tuesday from Liveaquaria, died Friday friday night.

 

[keithhays]

I treated brook with hypo of 1010 the fish also had ick and I treated them with copper power. Brook kills rapidly but it's dies at 1010. The fish infected last Cured the first infected died. Do not use formalin On fish with open wounds it will kill them.

Neither Hyposalinity nor copper cure Brook to any extent, but it can help if the QT is Hypo while doing formalin dips which might cause the fish to use fewer resources while healing. In most cases it won't matter because by the time you do any of this, the fish is usually dead.

 

[keithhays]

I woke up this morning to a dead Blue Hippo, I took a couple pictures and thought I would have you guys look and verify if you see brook or not. Let me know what you think this is! Received fish on Tuesday from Liveaquaria, died Friday friday night.

I would go with Brook because of the speed of death, but it could be a bacterial infection as well. You will know soon enough because Brook will start killing your other fish fairly rapidly.

 

[HumbleFish]

I have chloroquine phosphate though, I vaguely remember hearing that it treats brook? Can anyone verify this?? Do you know what dosage of the drug I should do?

This article by Bob Goemans suggests that CP can be used to treat Crypto, Velvet and Brook. I've read this elsewhere, and also that it can be used to treat Uronema marinum. Now, I've never used CP to treat for anything specific. I use it prophylactically, and if the fish survives the treatment (most do) I never see anything wrong. So, either I'm extraordinarily lucky when it comes to fish, or CP is knocking out any ailment before I ever see symptoms.

BTW, Sorry to hear about your tang.

 

[MrTuskfish]

I woke up this morning to a dead Blue Hippo, I took a couple pictures and thought I would have you guys look and verify if you see brook or not. Let me know what you think this is! Received fish on Tuesday from Liveaquaria, died Friday friday night.

I don't think it is any of the parasites discussed. These fish discolor when they are going downhill. Some fish die for reasons we'll never know, I think this is one of them.

 

[snake42490]

Well the other fish are still alive today, does anyone have any full information on brook and the life cycle. I can't seem to find anything besides the fact that it reproduces faster than ich and velvet and that it is very deadly.

**Thanks for that article! that's what I was looking for**

I know it's a two staged parasite so that is why it does it's damage much faster, but was curious about the reproductive time line of it. Just so I know what to expect on when the other fish would be infected. It says that reproduction can take place in 24 to 48 hours. But I was curious between the feeding stage on the fish, ( how susceptible they are to medicines at this time) and then the free swimming stage before reinfection.


I'm treating with cp at 40 mg/g, have you bumped your amount up when dealing with a disease like that guy says in the article? Thanks! Mine is pure powder form from a pharmacy

 

[snake42490]

Mr. Tuskfish, I also thought the same. I thought maybe it's just one of those fish that randomly dies. My reasons for changing my mind about that though. Day 1 of having the fish it ate like a pig, color looked great. Day 2 fast breathing and constant flashing against everything in the tank. The body has scratches all over it from everything it was flashing against. Also on day 2 the fish didn't eat at all. Day 3 the fish didn't swim much, just sat in the corner and it died over night going into day 4 (Today)

 

[MrTuskfish]

Mr. Tuskfish, I also thought the same. I thought maybe it's just one of those fish that randomly dies. My reasons for changing my mind about that though. Day 1 of having the fish it ate like a pig, color looked great. Day 2 fast breathing and constant flashing against everything in the tank. The body has scratches all over it from everything it was flashing against. Also on day 2 the fish didn't eat at all. Day 3 the fish didn't swim much, just sat in the corner and it died over night going into day 4 (Today)

Sure, brook is a possibility. But brook almost always show patches of sloughing or peeling skin. Who knows?

 

[DrPat]

Neither Hyposalinity nor copper cure Brook to any extent, but it can help if the QT is Hypo while doing formalin dips which might cause the fish to use fewer resources while healing. In most cases it won't matter because by the time you do any of this, the fish is usually dead.

I agree with you that copper will not kill brook .I had a mixed infection and it was definately brook and ick . I can only say that the hypo is what killed the brook since the copper is ineffective.

 

[DrPat]

I woke up this morning to a dead Blue Hippo, I took a couple pictures and thought I would have you guys look and verify if you see brook or not. Let me know what you think this is! Received fish on Tuesday from Liveaquaria, died Friday friday night.

WHERES THE SLIME ? Brook usually causes fish to produce a huge amount of slime .If you didnt see that then it could have been oodinium which can also kill rapidly.I guess its all academic now . sorry you lost fish I know it sucks.:angryfire:

 

[snake42490]

That's what i'm confused about as well : / I kept trying to find stuff on the body of the fish, but didn't really ever see anything... I think the slim I saw was just from scraping against objects so it made it look raw and i could see the actual slim coat..

What do you guys think it might have been? Judging by what happened?

 

[keithhays]

Here is a good thread on Chloroquine Phosphate:
http://www.reefland.com/forum/marin...se-treatment/24932-chloroquine-phosphate.html

There are many links for Brooklynella, but here is one with pics:
http://www.chucksaddiction.com/brookynella.html

I hesitate to agree with MrTuskFish at least on sentiment, but many fish diseases are not really diagnosable via visible inspection of the fish. You need a microscope in many cases. In many ways we are like prehistoric people wondering what caused the lightning. Having said that there are a handful of recurring diseases that are recognizable enough to use one of the mainline medications.

Ich (Cryptocaryon irritans) and Marine Velvet (Amyloodinium ocellatum)= copper or more specifically cupramine which can be used on almost any type of fish whereas other types of copper cannot be used on certain types of fish.

Worms = Praziquantel

surface and internal (systemic) bacterial infections = Maracyn Two for Saltwater Fishes or Maracyn Plus


Here is a more complete list from someone who knows alot more about it than I do:
http://www.reefland.com/forum/marin...93-stocking-marine-fish-medicine-cabinet.html

I would say this though, when presented with a disease and you have some idea what it is, go with the more mainline treatment as opposed to the more esoteric. When you go to the doctor for treating an illness, he/she will give you the most used and most effective treatment first and only if that doesn't work will he start on secondary more esoteric treatments. Quinine, IMO, is on the more esoteric side of things.