Brown Rock Anemones taking over!!!

[K' Family Reef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11809566#post11809566 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mborkush
Thank you all for all your help

sorry man i know this can be demoralizing

we had purchased a coral from lfs
that the OWNER told us had a cute lil anenome on it that he was throwing in for free... it looked neat had purple bubble tips on it... and that one anenome stayed on this piece of rock for a long time... before i began suspecting it was a pest when after i learned about RC and heard others speaking of them...

wasnt long before that majano
began to spread and take over... then after using a chisel to get the few that had spread off the rocks... we waited it out... few mos later found more were hiding next to some zoanthid colonies we had...

i researched it further
found that thread MAJANOS FROM HELL in the SPS forum... and realized it was a serious pest to deal with... that was when decided to remove the rocks/corals from the system and bleach the rocks then threw out any/all corals the majanos were on or around (wasnt worth it to pass it on to others)... ended up bleaching about 40# LR.

then waited it out for about 4-5 mos
to see if they were coming back... so far havent noticed anymore but still dont feel certain they are gone... have read they can also get into the plumbing as well...

good luck in dealing w/ this!

regards

 

[Whisperer]

I happen to just nuke my aiptasias this morning using vinegar. I used a 10 ml syringe with a sharp needle and injected them one by one. I noticed they disintegrated and dissolved within a day. Try it. If you have plenty, inject a few at a time.

 

[K' Family Reef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11810660#post11810660 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Whisperer
I happen to just nuke my aiptasias this morning using vinegar. I used a 10 ml syringe with a sharp needle and injected them one by one. I noticed they disintegrated and dissolved within a day. Try it. If you have plenty, inject a few at a time.

majanos and aiptasias... apples and oranges

 

[Whisperer]

Have you tried? SOrry you have to bleach all your LR, all you had to do is inject them with vinegar.

 

[K' Family Reef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11810844#post11810844 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Whisperer
Have you tried?

if you mean on majanos - then no havent
although have heard they work great on aiptasia - doesnt seem to be any doubt about that.

regards

 

[Whisperer]

I extrapolated that it will kill the majanos as well simply because the acidity (pH approx 2? not sure, anyone can chime in the correct pH of a white vinegar) will be incompatible when injected inside the body of any pest in the tank. The same premise is true if you use kalk with a pH of approximately 14, also will kill either pests. JMO

 

[mborkush]

I am pulling the infected rock to a 10 gal tank tonight to try to deal with them. I will try injecting them, then bleach as a last resort. Lots of nice growth on the rocks (of Corse the nicer pieces) so i dont want to kill the rock if I can help it. Thank you for the info

 

[mborkush]

I went to my LFS tonight for some supplies and ran by my newly discovered problem of tulip anemone's. His recommendations for extermination are the same as posted. However, he did say one thing that caught my attention. He said the tulips dont sting like other anemone's. While they will cover every available spot, they will not hurt other coral and inverts. While I dont doubt his advice, I am well...looking to confirm this. Is that really the case that they will not bother other tank mates?

 

[mborkush]

I think I got them. I pulled the rocks and gave them a shot of kalk. then pulled off the stump with tweezers.

I do have a question. Most were clearly were not dead. The pices that floated off into the water, Will they regenerate and come back? Not sure if these are like a weed that will grow/live anyware under any conditions.

 

[K' Family Reef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11826629#post11826629 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mborkush
I think I got them. I pulled the rocks and gave them a shot of kalk. then pulled off the stump with tweezers.

I do have a question. Most were clearly were not dead. The pices that floated off into the water, Will they regenerate and come back? Not sure if these are like a weed that will grow/live anyware under any conditions.

assume you didnt do it in your reef?

dont know exactly if they will regenerate
'thought' (fwiw) that once killed they were gone (keyword - killed???) - but after dealing w/ these pests myself - certainly would not have wanted to take that gamble!

would rinse the rocks off well before you put them back in the main display... again if it were my tank i would not add the rocks back and would keep them in bins for 3-4mos (espec if you have a lot of LR/corals in your main display)... it wasnt until i tried to cut the original one off the LR it came on (hence not killing it or removing it completely) that it STARTED TO SPREAD... literally.

i am surprised when i hear
those who have never dealt w/ these before think that its simply a matter of kalk injection on the few (((((they see))))))... its whats not seen in this case that is the problem...

have read some people got lucky
early on atleast if they kalked one or 2 and they never came back...

but have heard/read too many others
who went down this path and it was too late... they had gotten into the rockwork and led to worse.

not trying to be doom and gloom
but in this case its better to be prepared for what might happen then to think the easiest way out is the solution... and also your infestation is not a simple matter of one or 2... they have marched in and have set up camp... (based on pics you posted)

after i bleached the LR
which hated to do but in comparison to the greater risk of the rest of the LR getting infested - it was a no brainer... but like you said it seems like such a waste to have to do that all the life in the rock... but i didnt touch the system for about 4 mos - waiting to see if a full blown infestation was going to occur on the other rocks etc... didnt happen but that still doesnt mean that all the majanos are gone - still almost look on a daily basis.

hope that this goes well for you
again recom reading the one thread in sps forum (mentioned previously) - that way you get more opinions on the matter.

regards

 

[mborkush]

Thank you Warren! First off, NO I did not do this procedure in the main tank. I set up a small tank with a fluval and power head for a couple of days with the infected pieces. I used the Kalk. mix to loosen the grip so it would be easer to remove the foot from the rock. My concern is that there were a few stuborn bugers that I actual ripped off the rock. Now A lot of the remains/pieces went floating through tank and Im sure back into the rock. I am just keeping my fingers crossed that they do not regenerate from the pieces.
I have to say that the Kalk. Mix used did a nice job of releasing the foot. It made the job a lot easer to accomplish.

Any one know about their reproduction? I did notice on one of the rock about 30 little while dots. They were just soft dots almost like sponge with out the pores. I couldnt help but think, ohh no---there spawning every where!! Wondering if thats what it was or if it were something else. I would put out pics but my camera is so bad its not worth taking the time.

Well I gave and giving it my best effort. Hopefully this will give me a good jumpstart at tacking this problum. Again, I thank everyone for helping me and offering advice on this. You all helped a lot! Thank you!!!

 

[K' Family Reef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11828625#post11828625 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mborkush
Thank you Warren! First off, NO I did not do this procedure in the main tank. I set up a small tank with a fluval and power head for a couple of days with the infected pieces. I used the Kalk. mix to loosen the grip so it would be easer to remove the foot from the rock. My concern is that there were a few stuborn bugers that I actual ripped off the rock. Now A lot of the remains/pieces went floating through tank and Im sure back into the rock. I am just keeping my fingers crossed that they do not regenerate from the pieces.
I have to say that the Kalk. Mix used did a nice job of releasing the foot. It made the job a lot easer to accomplish.

Any one know about their reproduction? I did notice on one of the rock about 30 little while dots. They were just soft dots almost like sponge with out the pores. I couldnt help but think, ohh no---there spawning every where!! Wondering if thats what it was or if it were something else. I would put out pics but my camera is so bad its not worth taking the time.

Well I gave and giving it my best effort. Hopefully this will give me a good jumpstart at tacking this problum. Again, I thank everyone for helping me and offering advice on this. You all helped a lot! Thank you!!!

glad to hear that things are going well

as far as i know
unlike aiptasia that release spores and spread all over... majanos split (cant think of the word to describe that - cleving?)... so they divide in that fashion... one becomes 2 on down the line exponentially... had one on a rock for 3-4 mos until i tried to cut it off w/ knife (before knowing anything about it) then ended up w/ many.

regards

 

[KenStanley]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but here's what has not workde for me. I have a severe majano and a bad aiptasia problem. I got it when I added 30lbs of live rock from my lfs. In the first few months I thought it was kind of cool... I thought it was some kind of zoo or something harmless. But is spread so fast I knew something wasn't right. It appears to me at this point the majano is much hardier than the aiptasia. I've tried the natural solution, which had zero to limited effect.

I took a piece of live rock and put vinegar in a syringe with a needle right into it. It shriveled but didn't die. With in a few days it looked normal again. I put Kalk paste so thick right on top of them it was so thick it just sat on the rock. Eventually as the Kalk paste disipated the majano came right back. I dipped live rock in RO/DI water. Didn't seem to affect them.

Right now I've removed all the live rock and taken 95% of the coral from the live rock. The only remainig live rock is rock with large zoo or acordia colonies. I began using a drimmel to grind away anything that even remotely looks like a majano or aptaisia.

My problem is today I started looking around in thinks like the tunze wave box, where I found 2. The overflow, where I found their friggin NEST. Hundreds. They are even in the sand. I have a big problem. There is no telling how many MAY be in the refugeum or sump. I, at this point, can not imagine being able to get rid of them completely with out taking the tank all the way down.

I'm going to go ahead and drimmel anything on any of the rock that looks like NOT coral. I feel confident I can get all of them this way over time but............. What to do about the main 110 gallon tank equipment? Break it down and sterlize it? I'm so depressed.

 

[Tylt33]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11883541#post11883541 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by KenStanley
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but here's what has not workde for me. I have a severe majano and a bad aiptasia problem. I got it when I added 30lbs of live rock from my lfs. In the first few months I thought it was kind of cool... I thought it was some kind of zoo or something harmless. But is spread so fast I knew something wasn't right. It appears to me at this point the majano is much hardier than the aiptasia. I've tried the natural solution, which had zero to limited effect.

I took a piece of live rock and put vinegar in a syringe with a needle right into it. It shriveled but didn't die. With in a few days it looked normal again. I put Kalk paste so thick right on top of them it was so thick it just sat on the rock. Eventually as the Kalk paste disipated the majano came right back. I dipped live rock in RO/DI water. Didn't seem to affect them.

Right now I've removed all the live rock and taken 95% of the coral from the live rock. The only remainig live rock is rock with large zoo or acordia colonies. I began using a drimmel to grind away anything that even remotely looks like a majano or aptaisia.

My problem is today I started looking around in thinks like the tunze wave box, where I found 2. The overflow, where I found their friggin NEST. Hundreds. They are even in the sand. I have a big problem. There is no telling how many MAY be in the refugeum or sump. I, at this point, can not imagine being able to get rid of them completely with out taking the tank all the way down.

I'm going to go ahead and drimmel anything on any of the rock that looks like NOT coral. I feel confident I can get all of them this way over time but............. What to do about the main 110 gallon tank equipment? Break it down and sterlize it? I'm so depressed.

Get some friends from a local reef club to help you. A lot of reefers are compulsive and when faced with hundreds of unwanted majanos will want to destroy them, in their own tank, or that of someone else. I always have that urge at least.

 

[Tylt33]

By the way, can anyone link the MAJANOS FROM HELL thread? I searched for it and manually searched as well, no luck!

 

[Brad Black]

Wow I have about a dozen (that I can see) and they are slowly spreading along the rock. I had aiptasia, a few small ones that were gone in a week with 3 pep shrimp. They don't seem to touch the majanos though. Thinking of getting a copperband. After reading this I think I will just start pulling rock out. That sucks. I need to re-arange any way...I guess, yeesh. Off I go to the Manjs frm hell thread...

 

[Tylt33]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11909379#post11909379 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Brad Black
Wow I have about a dozen (that I can see) and they are slowly spreading along the rock. I had aiptasia, a few small ones that were gone in a week with 3 pep shrimp. They don't seem to touch the majanos though. Thinking of getting a copperband. After reading this I think I will just start pulling rock out. That sucks. I need to re-arange any way...I guess, yeesh. Off I go to the Manjs frm hell thread... [/QUOTE

Link that thread if you find it!

 

[jdieck]

I had a similar outbreak of Aptasias tried tons of Kalk paste and lots of applications of Joe's Juice dove to desperation that foe each one I killed five more showed up. Finaly resolved with peppermints and copperband. Gone in a couple of weeks.

 

[K' Family Reef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11909379#post11909379 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Brad Black
Wow I have about a dozen (that I can see) and they are slowly spreading along the rock. I had aiptasia, a few small ones that were gone in a week with 3 pep shrimp. They don't seem to touch the majanos though. Thinking of getting a copperband. After reading this I think I will just start pulling rock out. That sucks. I need to re-arange any way...I guess, yeesh. Off I go to the Manjs frm hell thread...

i had the thread on my old computer
but not on this one... if you find it there are several fish recom to try to get rid of these pests... no matter what would recom removing any rock that has them on it...

we have let our tank sit for probably about 6 mos now...
doing nothing and waiting to see if these things will show themselves again...

it is certainly demoralizing
and sorry for anyone who has to deal w/ this pest... reason why anytime post to a thread about these pests try to tell people that its not like aiptasia and is NOT a simple thing to deal with (although some got have reported getting lucky and after zapping one or 2 then they were gone)...

after researching the pest
decided to BLEACH all the LR where the pests were present... although not my favorite choice - seemed to be the 'safest' choice to take in an effort to eradicate the problem...

on the positive side
luckily these pests have not reared their ugly heads... been think going on 6 mos now... finally feel safe to come out and play


regards

 

[mborkush]

I have only seen two pop up since I plucked my rocks down two weeks ago. The kalk. works good to help release the foot to then be plucked off with tweezers. It seemed to work well for me. I will keep a watchful eye to see if any make a come back. I feel good about it--If I see any I'll adress it as needed.