Calcium Problem Please Help.....

reef211

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Here is my problem. I have a 120 gallons and i been dosing it with Part A&B and my calcium level is at 410-420 and my alk is perfect. So i decided to get a calcium reactor 1502 korallin, because i spend too much money on dosing. its been a month since i got it and my calcium is at 360. i start out with 40 drips per mins and 10 bubbles count per mins. for the first week, my calcium level drop to 360. so the LFS told me to go double that amount 80 drips and 20 bubbles count still the calcium level is at 360. my ph in my tank is 8.0 and the ph in the little acrylic box is 6.0 and i set my ph monitor to read at 6.5. so the third week i up it to more bubbles count and more drips. and still my calcium level is at 360. so today i tester my calcium and its is the same around 350-360 what am i doing wrong? please help.
 
the pH in the reactor is 6.0? if so your media should be turning to mush. if it is turning to much it prob. isn't doing much for your cal.

what is you alk. readings?
 
hey sam,

so if the ph in my reactor is at 6.0-6.1 my media will turn in mush even if the co2 is not on? what should the ph be in a reactor? so if the ph from my tank is reading at 8.0 why is the reactor reading 6.0-6.1 from when it is the same water flow through it and the co2 is not on?, my co2 turn on at 6.5 . damn this is hard. i will check my calcium and alk when i get home.
 
DAMN IT!!!!!!!!! This freakin Calcium reactor is driving me nut. Its been 4 months. Tests after tests, my calcium is still at 350-360, my alk is 5.5-5.6 and my mag. is 1250-1300. The Ph in the tank is 8.1 and my gravity level is 1.025. So far my bubble counts is at 50 and dripping is at 200. But everythings in the tank is doing fine but there is no coraline algea growing at all. What the heck is goin on? Please help......
 
My guess is the reactor is too small for your bioload; have you seen the crushed coral media disappearing from the reaction chamber after 4 months? if not you may have to adjust CO.

I think you're doing everything by the book; personally I can't count on my reactor to boost Ca, just to keep it. I have to manually adjust Ca and Mg once a month (just a little bit), but never Alk, that's something my reactor is doing well.

If you're measuring dKH instead of meq/L your alkalinity is quite low and with your reactor, it shouldn't. The first thing I would try is manually adjusting Alk to 11 dKH using Baking Soda, raise Mg to 1350 ppm using Magnesium Chlorhide and wait to see if the Ca raises a little bit. I suspect it may raise but not enough, but you'll have to add Calcium Chlorhide if you want it higher than that. I keep mine between 430 and 450 ppm.

This is not expensive to do, Google "2 part solution". There is a web site I use to buy this stuff and it's quite inexpensive.

Once you have all the parameters where you want your reactor should keep those values pretty close.

If still you're not convinced try a different media, like Caribsea ARM just for the heck of it.
 
Chemistry Articles and Calculators

I agree with Haywood...you do not use a calcium reactor to raise calcium just to maintain a desired level. The above link was some calculators for Ca, Mg, and Alk as well as a Calcium reactor setup.

1. Get the Ca, Mg, Alk at desired levels with appropriate additives using calculator.
2. dial in Ca reactor using calculator....stop your reactor for 2 days measuring Alk before and after the 2 days

pH probe/controller in the reactor chamber set to ~6.5...measure effluent dKH....set drip rate as per calculator....only alter drip rate

check Alk in two days...repeat calculator
 
Thank you Haywood and Marsh for the quick respond.
I will try it and see what happen. Thank you so much.
I will keep you guys updated.
 
I would shoot for a PH of 6.5 to 6.6 in the reactor with the Large Media, use 2 part to get back to normal params. The calcium reactor, will then maintain you current water params!! (Make sure make adjustments slowly, so you dont stress the corals!!)

A more accurate way is to get graduated cylinder in ml to measure your effluent and you can count the BPM on the Co2, this will make the calcium reactor much easier to dial in.

Less stress is GOOD, My korallin reactor took a while for me to dial in.:mad:
 
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So should i turn off the calcium reactor for now and dose the 2 part until it get back to where i wanted and then plug it back in?
The Ph in the reactor sometime drop as low as 5.9 in the morning when the light is not on is that normal? But my Ph in the tank is 8.0-8.2
 
try lowering it to 40 BPM, let it sit for a few hrs and see where the PH stands

when I ran my korallin I set it @ 40 bpm and 60ml of effluent per minute to get 6.6 in the reactor, this was on a 90 gallon, medium calcium demand.
 
reef211:

Are you using a CO2 controller and if so how is it set up?

If your set point is 6.5 but the reactor go as low as 6.0 you may have the controller set up inverted. The way to set up the controller is to have it cut off the CO2 while the PH in the reactor is dropping but some controller can be set up either way and cut the CO2 when the PH in the reactor is going up which for a calcium reactor is wrong.
In the wrong mode the CO2 will say turn on at6.5 but because the CO2 drops the PH, the PH will continue dropping and the CO2 will never shut off.

In the right mode as the PH drops (say from 6.7) once the PH reaches the set point (say 6.5). Once the PH reaches 6.5 the CO2 turns off so the PH starts to rise. Once the PH reaches the higher limit in the controller (say back to 6.7) he CO2 will turn on again and repeat the cycle.

A couple of tips:

a) As mentioned above in the posts, although possible, you should not try to increase neither the Calcium nor the alkalinity using the reactor. The reactor will add 20 ppm of calcium for every 2.8 dKh of alkalinity.
Say if you try to increase the calcium from 360 to 420 ppm, your alkalinity will shoot by an additional 8.4 dKh, if your present alkalinity is at say 8 dKh it will rise to more than 16!
If you adjust your reactor to increase the levels you will probably overshoot and make re-adjusting very difficult.

b) Adjust the reactor to maintain constant alkalinity, once the alkalinity is maintained (regardless of the level) your reactor is at the right set point point were your alkalinity consumption equals the alkalinity added by the reactor. Once there, use manual supplementation of calcium chloride (Turbo Calcium, ESV Cal chloride, Dow flake etc) and baking soda to adjust the levels were you want them and the reactor will keep them there.

c) The easier way to adjust the reactor by trial and error is to set an starting effluent level of say 40 ml/min and adjust the controller (and bubble rate so a start up PH (say 6.7. Test your tank alkalinity in 24 hour periods. If the alkalinity is dropping then reduce the PH y 0.1 units at a time until the alkalinity stops dropping or you reach 6.4
If you reach 6.4, increase the effluent flow by 50% and start again with a higher PH and lowering it again until the alkalinity is stable.
If in the process your alkalinity drops too much (Less than 8 dKh) you can add some baking soda, wait 2 hours, test the reading after the addition and keep going with the process.

Good Luck!
 
Sup Jdieck,

The controller that i have is a milwaukee ph controller. It is set at 6.5 is there a wrong way to hook it up? I got it from LFS and he run all his calcium reactor the same way. I just got back from the LFS with the ESV two parts solution. I was talking to Paul earlier and he told me to lower my BPM. It's at 40 now and the dripping it at the same rate. I wil test the water again tomorrow and see if there any change.
 
No, there is no way to install that controller in the wrong mode as it will only open the CO2 when it is above the set point. In other words CO2 should be off (No bubble rate) if the PH in the reactor is below your set point. If CO2 is off below your set point then the PH in the reactor should not be below 6.5; if it is, something might be miss conected.

On the opposite side, you can always set the bubble rate so low that the PH in the reactor will never lower to the 6.5 point but it does not seem the case here.

Keep on reducing the bubble rate every 24 hours until your PH is at about 6.5 When the bubble rate is too high, the controller will shut off and on too often, (more than once every hour or two). This is an indication that the bubble rate is too high. If the PH never gos down to 6.5, that is an indication that the bubble rate is too low.
 
So i got the 2 parts last night and the instuction said add 30ml for every 120 gals. My calcium level is at 350-360 and alk is 5.5-5.7 should i only dose 30ml of the 2 parts or double it?
 
Thank you Jdieck,

I was using the chemistry calculator and WOW, to increase my calcium level from 350 to 420, I need to dose 525 ml of the b-ionic. Is that right? That is only 70 ppm more and if so, how do i dose it. Half and Half or all at once, i am scare now.
 
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