Can anyone tell me if this is ich and velvet..?

[02tts]

The pics show some slime coat on the fish and the little white dots. I also included a pic of what came off the fish, that slime coat.

Is this both velvet and ich?

 

[ThRoewer]

Impossible to tell from just pictures. Describe in detail how the fish behaved. How long did you have it?
Also, was it in a cycled QT or in a DT with other fish?

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[02tts]

Impossible to tell from just pictures. Describe in detail how the fish behaved. How long did you have it?
Also, was it in a cycled QT or in a DT with other fish?

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Had the fish a couple of weeks.
All was well.
Brought home a larger blue tang and bam, he and others got infected with ich. If the damn blue tang makes it through treatment great if not never again.

Anyway, after he got it 2-3 days later he died. The pics are clear enough to identify I think, for those who know it well. Ich is without question at this point, the grayish-white slimy film is what I don't know about.


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[ThRoewer]

Very few of the common parasites can be conclusively identified from pictures of dead fish, simply because most of those parasites leave the fish as soon as it is dead. The only one who stays to devour the dead body is Uronema.

The timeline of 2 - 3 days doesn't fit ich or velvet. It could fit Brooklynella as that one hasn't to go through any cycle to reproduce, but just multiplies by simple division on the host.
The white slime would fit this one also.
Another option could be a bacterial infection.

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[02tts]

Very few of the common parasites can be conclusively identified from pictures of dead fish, simply because most of those parasites leave the fish as soon as it is dead. The only one who stays to devour the dead body is Uronema.

The timeline of 2 - 3 days doesn't fit ich or velvet. It could fit Brooklynella as that one hasn't to go through any cycle to reproduce, but just multiplies by simple division on the host.
The white slime would fit this one also.
Another option could be a bacterial infection.

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Understood.

Now, one of my angels has it. He was fine yesterday and he has it on one side...overnight...does that sound like Brooklynella? I mean, whatever it is is fast, fish was fine yesterday evening when I last checked.


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[ThRoewer]

Try a formalin bath and then put it in clean tank. If it's Brooklynella you should see improvement within a day.
You may also treat it after the bath with antibiotics to fight secondary infections.

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[02tts]

Try a formalin bath and then put it in clean tank. If it's Brooklynella you should see improvement within a day.
You may also treat it after the bath with antibiotics to fight secondary infections.

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Trying to get the fish out without pulling 400lbs of love rock will unfortunately not be possible.

Can I treat with copper? Already started a copper treatment yesterday because of ich although I don't think there enough copper as the live rock may be sucking it up. Waiting to get Sechem test on Wed. Just in case as api test registers nil (but if I test it against a gallon of regular water and have cupramine in it, it does show so I don't think it's the test kit, I think it's the amount of live rock).

That said, what products do you recommend to treat the entire tank with - FOWLR, no inverts.


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[madweazl]

Copper is going to kill off your "live" rock.

 

[02tts]

Copper is going to kill off your "live" rock.

Cupramine will not.

I've used it very successfully several times in the past without issue in fowlr systems.
I'm sure there's a little die off by it will not totally eradicate the beneficial bacteria.
Not unless an overdose occurs.


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[ThRoewer]

Bullsh..! Cupramin will kill and contaminate live rock just like any other form of copper.

Also, the only thing that reliability kills Brooklynella is formalin. Copper is completely ineffective against it

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[snorvich]

Bullsh..! Cupramin will kill and contaminate live rock just like any other form of copper.

Also, the only thing that reliability kills Brooklynella is formalin. Copper is completely ineffective against it

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What he said. QT is easy if done properly but fixing problems is not