CB Emperor Seahorses - ID

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darkside1

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got two heathy looking "CB Emperor Seahorses " apear to be CB because the eat frozen instantly.... and a reputable LFS
just looked like kudas to me, tried to find info on Emperor Seahorse ..... not much out there ,
lfs often use common names from area that they get the animals from and usually makes no sense in scientific publications

http://seahorse.fisheries.ubc.ca/IDguide.html
is the best info I have found.... anything better out there

ftp://ftp.webminder.com/marine/sh1.jpg
ftp://ftp.webminder.com/marine/sh2.jpg
ftp://ftp.webminder.com/marine/sh3.jpg
ftp://ftp.webminder.com/marine/sh4.jpg
ftp://ftp.webminder.com/marine/sh5.jpg
ftp://ftp.webminder.com/marine/sh6.jpg
 
I'm actually thinking Reidi, but I really can't tell without a good side pic of the coronet. Try to get a good clear picture from the side of the seahorse, especially one that shows the top of the head (coronet) clearly, like this one (Reidi) http://gallery.seahorse.org/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=391 , or this one (Kuda) http://gallery.seahorse.org/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=338 . Notice the difference in coronet.
If the LFS can't get a scientific name for you though, they probably aren't true aquacultured seahorses and were either WC and trained to frozen, pen raised, or raised in a flow through system. In that case, you will need to deworm them.
 
H. taeniopterus is no longer a species designation. They are now classified under H. Kuda, which is what this species has been I.D.'ed as. Sold by Seahorse Australia as Asian Emperors.
 
just an update another LFS ... has aquired a bunch of the same size color etc. he calls them emperor kudas and said they are from australia
 
Ann,
sorry but its the other way around, stupid project seahorse in all there wisdom do not recognise many species, pathetic IMO, there is kuda and there is teaniopterus.

The confusion is simply because kuda means horse headed fish, so when people started seeing this weird looking thing and asked, what is that, the natives would say, kuda.

So kuda came to be the name for many species, PS still do not understand this and continue the folly. whiteii/procuras, breviceps/tuberculatus, northern and southern erectus etc
 
Ah, okay. Sorry David. I was taking my species designations from fishbase.org. On fishbase, taeniopterus is one of the species that has been consolidated under Kuda. Not that they are the be-all, end-all of species designation when it comes to SH. Procs, however, do have their own species designation. If we are going by the 35 species idea, taeniopterus isn't one of them at the moment, although those classifications are iffy in many cases (like N & S erectus). At least I didn't bring up subelongatus this time ;-)
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10248483#post10248483 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ann83
At least I didn't bring up subelongatus this time ;-)
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Ooops, I guess I did. :eek1:
Seriously though, I just don't know who to defer to on the species designations at the moment. I don't ever go by the PS info, but other than the sh.org library that hasn't been updated in years, fishbase is my only other resource, except when you correct me.
 
LOl Ann,

Subs as far as I know has been shortened years ago, but since I have been corrected so many times by someone who shall remain nameless, hehe, I have looked for the original paper that stated the changed name, but can't find it, doh.

Till staff killed them, we had kuda that were small, quiet, benthic in fry, and only a small number of very large fry, that is what we believe are true kuda, all other are just named kuda by people who have no idea.

http://www.asfb.org.au/research/tscr/tf_constat2001.htm

http://www.amonline.net.au/pdf/publications/1350_complete.pdf

http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/sof/2005/sof20052006-08.pdf

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/smartapi/cgi/sga_doc?smartapi!celexplus!prod!DocNumber&type_doc=Regulation&an_doc=2003&nu_doc=1497&lg=en

Number 452, which is first.

Some say elongatus, some say subelongatus, the OZ gov lists them as elongatus, and as they are a native to OZ, spoz its ok for me to call them that.
 
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