check out this SPS aquarium

Gary:

Ron Hessing spoke about this aquarium at NERAC II - Long Island Atlantis meeting in March.

Here's some points from my notes on it:

Run by a guy called Iwan Lasser (Switzerland)
System is a custom sized tank but otherwise there is no sump or anything particularly special.
Deep sand bed is used = zero nitrates measurable.
T5 lighting only - fans on these tubes to get 15-20% more output from them?
Amino acid additions used
Prdbio bacterial additions used
Zeovit - Zeoastart2 Coral vitalisor additions
Manages to get a redox reading of 425 - without ozone

But here's the real kicker:

Iwan claims that he is able to selectively poison the zooxanthellae without killing the coral. By poisoning the zooxanthellae he is able to get the best colors from the corals. No details on how this is done other than he ha developed some proprietary method/chemical to achieve this.

It's a pretty aquarium that is getting a lot of the Europeans either loving it or loathing it. Arguable that the corals are being maintained in what is essentially a bleached state. I have heard this before from my contacts at Cornell studying coral disease that the colors we may strive for in our SPS aquaria are typically only seen in the wild during bleaching episodes.

SteveL
 
8000 gallons of B-IONIC

8000 gallons of B-IONIC

How much calcium do you think is being consumed in that tank? Steve any notes about calcium dosing? Speaking of which steve, are you using calcium reactor with ozone? I was a B-ionic faithful until I saw Brian's tank (Mariner77) who uses no B-Ionic just drips occasional kalk and doses magnesium. I thing I am going that route now - a B-Ionic, Kalk, Magnesium mix. Any thoughts. Sorry for changing the direction of the thread:rolleyes:
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7319422#post7319422 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SteveL
Arguable that the corals are being maintained in what is essentially a bleached state. I have heard this before from my contacts at Cornell studying coral disease that the colors we may strive for in our SPS aquaria are typically only seen in the wild during bleaching episodes.

Interesting! Thanks for sharing.
I wonder if there's any knowledge or information in what Herr Lasser's doing, that would help explain some of the things we're seeing in nature?

- Mac
 
Thanks for sharing that info, Randy.
How come nobody mentioned this is the same aquarium in bosborn's URS Prodibio thread? :p

I've seen SPS aquariums that have accomplished the same colors without using the product, so i'm not yet sold on Prodibio.

I think the T5's, the camera and the overskimming has more to do with the look of Ian's aquarium.
I'd also like to know how long he's had his Naso Tang in with those SPS. To me, it looks ridiculous in there. The same with those really nasty black and white Damselfish. They are killers!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7358164#post7358164 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Gary Majchrzak

I think the T5's, the camera and the overskimming has more to do with the look of Ian's aquarium.

Ding!
I agree.
 
What I am curious about is whether these corals still grow.
If he is mainting partially bleached corals .. then where do they get their nutrition from and how do they grow.

(If they don't why not use fake corals :))
 
I thought I had a reference to that thread in the Prodibio thread....Man I thought my research in that was bullet proof...If anyone whould find a chink in the armor I guess it would be Gary. As for achiving the same results without a nutrient enhancer is possiable. However it is easier to just add the Prodibio. I really think everyone should be dosing some sort of amino acid in there aquariums. As for the comment by SteveL, I thought the semi bleached state was the result of a secret blend of Zeo stuff. Thats the reason I have been reluctant to go with ZeoVit and the Amino acid they sell. I don't want corals that look like a crayola 64 pack but rather a bright naturally colored system that requires lighting not quite as intense. BTW the prodibio has been doing well for me. Water is stable and the corals are bright and growing like crazy.

The lighting and overskimmer do factor in but the science behind proper nutrietion is the same as with people. Its undeniable that certain vitamins help the human body..Well its the same with corals. In a closed system they are not getting the constant wash of nutreint full clean water. By adding Amino acids you are providing them with a good source of the naturally availble nutrient. Dr. Julian Sprung has mentioned this. I believe that some of his additives contain large amounts of AAs. Prodibio is not an end all be all solution. Infact I don't believe anyone should believe the claims until further reasearch is done. Even at that its all really subjective. Sure you corals are looking good but who says that they wouldn't look the same if you had added nothing.

Scott
 
Gary....what could you possibly not like about a blonde naso? awesome fish, in a large beautiful tank...boy that is just wrong? ;)
 
I've been reluctant to be a guinea pig for a number of reasons.

$$$
I don't know exactly what's in it.. heh
So many people that are more experienced in the hobby have no known or apparent amino acid deficiencies... if there is no nutrient issue, why assume their is? I've never seen a coral reef picture of hard corals looking like that.
I need: more information, tanks that I can see in person that still make appearances like that before I could consider it for my own.

Isn't enough for me to tamper with that stuff yet. Not to say that I'm not interested in watching other people do it to theirs. :D
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7365970#post7365970 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Stephany
I've never seen a coral reef picture of hard corals looking like that.
I have. And here's the rub: the wild reefs that display those pastel like colors are bleaching.
(I'm not saying this guys aquarium is full of bleaching corals- I don't know if that's the truth. I'm merely stating where I've seen similar looking corals.)

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7364685#post7364685 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by E-A-G-L-E-S
Gary....what could you possibly not like about a blonde naso? awesome fish, in a large beautiful tank...boy that is just wrong? ;)
Makes for a great photo, doesn't it?
I love Blondes- especially Nasos. ;)
I love SPS, too... but that aquarium is a terribly cramped for a Naso. I'm sure the fish causes some accidental damage to the corals when it brushes against them. There must be a lot of nutrient input/export in this system. (Anthias need frequent feedings. Naso need very large daily feedings.) Make no mistake about it- a lot of foodstuff goes into and gets skimmed out of this system. I wonder how long the fishes have been in there. I also wonder if the Acros were grown from frags. Anybody know? :confused:
 
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On page 2 of that thread he says that it has been 2 years as a stony coral system. Before it was a fish/soft coral tank.

His specs and inhabitants:

-Calcium Management:

Balling method
The consumption of calcium is about 40 mg/liters daily

Current Water Parameters:

Temperature: 25Ã"šÃ‚°C
Salinity: 35ppt
pH: low 7.90 high 8.1
No3: undetectable
No2: undetectable
NH4: undetectable
Po4: undetectable
Si3 : undetectable
Ca: 420mg/ml
Alk: 7-9 DKH
Mg: 1300mg/ml
Redox: 400-450

Tank Inhabitants:
Corals:
99% of the corals in this tank are SPS and LPS corals, 54 in all.


Fish:
I try to reconstruct a natural coral-reef in my small tank. So of course fish and invertebrates are also included. My fish population:
2 Zebrasoma flavescens
1 Zebrasoma veliferum
20 Pseudanthias squamipinnis
11 Chromis virdis
3 Amphiprion ocellaris
2 Oxycirrhites typus
2 Synchiropus splendidus
2 Labroides dimidiatus
1 Salarias fasciatus
1 Gobiodon okinawae
2 Gobiodon histrio

- Inverts:
30 Hermit crabs
5 Tridacna squamosa
4 Mesipilia globulus
8 Lysmata amboinensis
2 Stenopus hispidus
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quote:Originally posted by robthorn
iwan you said the corals got darker do you mean brown or darker maybe deeper reds and purples?



Firmer colors were the first step. Certain colors then got a little browner. The density of the symbiosis algaes is the reason for this development. The colors of the corals are "covered" at increased density of the zooxanthels. The colors of the corals are not formed by the zooxanthels but by proteins in the tissue of the coral.
 
I'd guess small colonies, not frags. :)
Something else he posted...

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7094604#post7094604 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by iwan
Here is a summary about colored stone corals
I wrote an article about that for a french magazine here are some important parameters:


Colored stone coral: A wish of all stone coral friends.
The care of stone corals is possible since few years.
It was made possible by knowledge of the needs and the development of technological facilities which can satisfy these needs. Every stone coral holder knows that the keeping of these beautiful animals is bound to certain prerequisites. Sufficient light, few nutrients, supply with trace elements and calcium.These are well known facts.
Much has already been discussed and published about this.
But what exactly influences now the colors?
Why are stone corals colored?

Ima1.jpg


Stone corals have the ability to build chromo proteins (Pocciloporine).
These pigments determine the colors. The symbiosis algae (zooxanthellae) don't determine the color.
As higher the density of the symbiosis algae is, than darker and browner the colors are.
Ima2.jpg

Ima3.jpg



But what influences the colors?

The quality of the incident light:
Light quantity and radiation spectrum. Corals need light!

The available nutrients in the water:
Too many nutrients cause an increase of the zooxanthellae. The result is a covering of the colors.


The diet condition of the corals:
Corals with limitations don't use the available energy to build pigments.

The genetic competence to build up colors:
Some corals do not have the genetic competence for the coloring.
They also cannot get "colored" under optimal conditions.


Wrong opinions:

I like to do away with the common wrong opinions in this place.

The zooxanthellae give the coral their colors:

Wrong!The zooxanthellae (symbiosis algae) fulfils other functions. They are responsible for the brown ground shade. This means: More symbiosis algae results in a covering of the colors. We have brown corals.

Trace elements bring color:


Incomplete statement! The observation that a dosage of trace elements improves the colors has nothing to do with the primary effect of the color formation. One assumes that the production of pigments (chromoproteins) goes about metabolism processes of the coral. Trace elements are components of enzymes without which color pigmentation cannot be carried out.
So does the coloration become rock javelin by trace element bonus?
If the coloring increases after a trace element bonus, then has been a lack of trace element before.
That explains the observation that many tanks a dosage of trace elements do not increase the coloring. If sufficient trace elements are available, then no increase of the chromoprotein synthesis is reached by an additional application.

Few nutrients = colored corals:
The statement: ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œColored corals can be reached by reducing nutrients! If you reduce nutrients youââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢ll get best colors!ââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ is incomplete. A reduction of the available nutrients results in the decreasing of the zooxanthellae density. The synthesis of chromoproteine isn't concerned by it at all. Spectral shares of the light put the formation of pigments into walk! The light quality, (the intensity of the radiation, the spectrum and the light duration) is responsible for the formation of chromoproteins.
The coral needs energy for the formation of pigments. It makes sense that a coral only put this energy into the production of color giving pigments if it has met its basic requirements sufficiently. The formation of color is a "luxury good". A hungry coral won't waste valuable energy for the synthesis of color constituents.
 
The thread gets real technical at the bottom of page 2 after what I just copied. I'm going to have to go over it again AFTER finals.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=813873&perpage=25&pagenumber=2


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7141716#post7141716 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by iwan
Thank you!

I have started with fragments. The growth rate is 3 cm/month.

The pictures show a comparison of the tank. Image 1: initial phase with few stone corals. Notice the reference corals.
Anfang.jpg


The current situation:
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Okay... so he did start from fragments... ? but, to me they are still no 1" fragments like we sometimes see. :)
 
Thanks for going through the troubles of cutting and pasting all of that, Steph.
Image #1 shows a few stony coral colonies, lots of fish and softies. (Those SPS aren't frags. They're bigger than the colonies most of us see for sale at any LFS.)
It appears Iwan has gotten rid of both Naso and all softies when converting to SPS.
If coral #1 is a "green slimer" it certainly doesn't appear as colorful as most that I've seen.
 
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