clarion angelfish

[shalonb123]

hi i well be going down to mexico collect some fish with in the next few mounths an would like to know where i can find a permit form the mexican goverment to import these fish into the untied states. starting a new company mainly for rare anglefish and other rare saltwater fish out there.

 

[billsreef]

You should probably start with asking the same folks you need to get permits from to collect any fish in Mexico for a start.

 

[plyr58]

Good luck. This is basically impossible to do. The territorial range of the Clarion Angel are the Islas Revillagigedos (and specifically Isla Clarion from which the Angelfish gets its name), a group of islands a great distance from land in any direction.

(Wikipedia for the picture)

As you can see, swinging by the Islas Revillagigedos while you are in Mexico is like swinging by LA while you are in Houston.

The collection of this species by anyone has been severely limited for some time by the Mexican Government, and the entire fishery has been shut down recently I do believe. I think Steve Robinson has been talked about managing to get permission to reopen the fishery on a very limited basis (and I bet he had to grease a lot of palms to do it).

The logistics of traveling the great distance to the natural territory of the fish to collect it, housing it on the return trip, and then shipping the fish are daunting (and incredibly expensive).

To further complicate matters, the US dollar is so weak, that almost none of the fish are being sent into the US and are instead being sent overseas where more money can be made.

If you want to give it a shot, remember that you will probably run into corruption within the Mexican government and even if you have the scratch to buy the permission to collect the fish, you will have to rent/buy a boat capable of a 1000 mile round trip and make sure that you have the ability to house the fish on your way back in.

Sorry, I didn't mean to rain on your parade. I think the fish is an absolutely gorgeous specimen and know that they are incredibly hardy and make great additions to an aquarium. I think I once read a Fenner article somewhere that called them the ideal aquarium inhabitant (if not for the hefty price tag).

If you manage to get a permit to export them, let me know. I would sell a kidney to get my hands on one someday.

 

[GreshamH]

having chased a permit for well over a decade and my old boss doing it for 30 years I have to say GOOD LUCK. He got his due to presidential connections and working down there since the 70's. It was the first to be issued in 20 years with no future one in sight.

You'll need to deal with 3 different agencies down there, be a Mexican citizen and have a buyer in the states who has import ability all ready in place. They will check this out prior to allowing you to get the permit and once issued you can only ship to the ones you listed (and got approved).

Drew, no greasing of the palms on this one. 100% legit. Many didn't get exported this round and in fact some are still sitting here waiting to be bought.

 

[shalonb123]

GreshamH. I have been looking around and have found some of the information that I need for me to get them here into the United States I do have around 20 buyers already for them. And also trying to contact the Mexican government, I well start a second blog for buyer to write they names total of 260 buyers for me to present

WILL POST THE BLOG IN ANOUNCEENTS

What three agencies are you referring I you reply

Hopefully if all goes as to plan well have them here buy September

 

[plyr58]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14113810#post14113810 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GreshamH
It was the first to be issued in 20 years with no future one in sight.

Dude, did you read that? Hate to say it but it ain't happening.

 

[billsreef]

shalonb123,

What your proposing to do to line up buyers on RC is a no go. It violates the commercial aspects of the <a href=http://reefcentral.com/agreement.php target=_blank>User Agreement</a>, so I had to pull it. It's probably worth it for you to reread that for good measure The upshot of that is, you can't promote your business here in any way.

 

[Logzor]

For some reason this reminds me of George and Kramer going on that crazy trip to Michigan to recycle all of those bottles.

 

[snorvich]

Huh?

 

[Logzor]

Not a Seinfeld fan I guess.

 

[plyr58]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14113810#post14113810 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GreshamH
having chased a permit for well over a decade and my old boss doing it for 30 years I have to say GOOD LUCK. He got his due to presidential connections and working down there since the 70's. It was the first to be issued in 20 years with no future one in sight.

You'll need to deal with 3 different agencies down there, be a Mexican citizen and have a buyer in the states who has import ability all ready in place. They will check this out prior to allowing you to get the permit and once issued you can only ship to the ones you listed (and got approved).

Drew, no greasing of the palms on this one. 100% legit. Many didn't get exported this round and in fact some are still sitting here waiting to be bought.

Didn't mean to imply anything negative about the people trying to export these fish. I was simply speculating that it might take a little graft to get things done in Mexico. I meant no offense and apologize if it was so.

Interesting story: Drove down to Tijuana one time with a friend who had been there before. Found a parking space and a police officer was sitting nearby. My friend parked the car, got out, walked over and gave the cop 20 bucks. When he came back I asked him why and he said it was because if you didn't, your car would be either stripped or stolen by the time you got back. That is simply where I was coming from

 

[GreshamH]

It's a iffy thing to bribe in Mexico now. You've got a like a 30% chance of finding a honest federali and then you're heading to a prison that really hurts, not like the cushy US ones

Drew, I took no offense, not worries. We never bribed and always do things by the books. Much of the MO fishery in Baja owes my past employer a debt of gratitude as it was built on the transects he and his biologist have done since the mid 70's.

 

[GreshamH]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14117109#post14117109 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by shalonb123
GreshamH. I have been looking around and have found some of the information that I need for me to get them here into the United States I do have around 20 buyers already for them. And also trying to contact the Mexican government, I well start a second blog for buyer to write they names total of 260 buyers for me to present

WILL POST THE BLOG IN ANOUNCEENTS

What three agencies are you referring I you reply

Hopefully if all goes as to plan well have them here buy September

20 wholesalers with permits all ready? Joe blow doesn't count. What about the flight, you don't have known shipper status (do you?) so you yourself will not be able to ship them Getting an international known shipper status ain't easy to say the least. Also, don't over look the fact you have to be a Mexican Citizen or possess dual citizenship, like my past employer. You won't be able to collect or conduct business unless you have a work visa. I'm telling you it's a pipe dream, but dream away, I can't stop you.

Also, good luck on getting a ship to bring you out, especially since August/Sept none will travel out there as it's bad weather season and that area is r e m o t e

It really reeks like you don't know even half of what your getting into. Play safe

 

[snorvich]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14121627#post14121627 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GreshamH


It really reeks like you don't know even half of what your getting into. Play safe

Now that is optimistic, it sounds like a pipe dream to me. The process is nontrivial which is why the Clarions are so expensive. Not because they are rare, but because of the nearly impossible logistics of getting them to the end user.

 

[shalonb123]

guys this is a two year plan and i know all about being a mexican citizen. where not planing to just go there and collect fish with no idea of what is going to happen, like i said where planing to do this within a two year period or so. international known shipper getting them i know well be a problem at most but if anyone wants to help let me know.

 

[plyr58]

The point everyone is trying to make is one which you just accidently acknowledged in your post. You don't seem to understand the process you are trying to undertake. A two year plan? You need more like a 10 or 20 year plan. I'm not saying this to try to be a jerk but it just doesn't seem like you have any idea of the scale or complexity of what you are proposing. That being said, if it is something that you are determined to do don't let any of us rain on your parade. We are simply trying to tell/show you that what you are proposing appears to be impossible in the time frame that you are laying out. It too Steve years of efferot to even get to the table and discuss it with the Mexican government.

 

[GreshamH]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14117109#post14117109 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by shalonb123
GreshamH. I have been looking around and have found some of the information that I need for me to get them here into the United States I do have around 20 buyers already for them. And also trying to contact the Mexican government, I well start a second blog for buyer to write they names total of 260 buyers for me to present

WILL POST THE BLOG IN ANOUNCEENTS

What three agencies are you referring I you reply

Hopefully if all goes as to plan well have them here buy September

You may want to state which year when posting September then as no date makes it look like this year

Drew - it also took a nod from the President which is something you can't apply for but need connections Steve suffered through some administrations that had it out for his village since they didn't vote for the Governor he wanted. In Mexico they announce who didn't vote for whom and they get punished basically.

 

[shalonb123]

i understand where you are going. i know how hard it is going to be to get this done. but i am open to help if anyone want to help

 

[coolwaves]

Here's a link you might find interesting (about Reef Hotspot getting permits to collect clarions, garibaldi, etc.)...

 

[coolwaves]

Sorry, here it is.

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