clarkii clowns and black percs

DMBillies

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I have heard the general wisdom that it is not smart to mix two clown species in one tank. I already have a pair of black ocellarus/percs (I know they are different, but I think I have one of each...long story). I really like Clarkii clowns and would like to add a pair to my 60 gallon with the black clowns. OK idea... or follow the general wisdom?
 
Clarkii's can be pretty aggressive (behind Maroons and cinnamons). Maybe Matt will chime in. He's the state expert on clowns:).
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6852591#post6852591 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gflat65
Clarkii's can be pretty aggressive (behind Maroons and cinnamons). Maybe Matt will chime in. He's the state expert on clowns:).

Well, I don't know about THAT, but I do what I can :D

I think gflat's advice is pretty sound. I wouldn't mix different species of clownfish in the same tank (unless you are trying to make a "mixed pair"); chances are they will eventually fight, especially aggressive species like clarkii's--even mated pairs of this species routinely fight with each other. Your existing clowns may try to defend their territory and be killed by the clarkii's. If one has a large tank (6-8' or more) it is sometimes possible to create multiple territories for more than one clown pair, but I've never been that brave. There are lots of fish that would be compatible with your current clowns and tank size though -- dottybacks, cardinals, gobies, etc -- all of which can live as pairs and even spawn in reef tanks.

-Matt
 
Yeah, that's what I figured... If only I could talk my girlfriend into letting me setup a huge tank... and talk someone else into paying for it all!!! I have plenty of fish in my tank already (so wisdom would tell me not to add much more anyway), but there's something I really like about the Clarkii's and I was hoping that it might work out.

Matt... since I have you on the line... besides the number of spines on their dorsal fine, is there a way to tell a black ocellaris from a black percula? Since they are black, coloration is kind of out of the picture and I can't get them to hold still long enough to count their dorsal spines. The reason I ask is that I got a black clown with my tank (someone I knew wasn't taking care of their tank and wanted to get rid of it. I thought I'd try a salt tank since their equipment, fish, and rock helped me get over most of the obstacles that I had with getting into reef tanks) and I never knew the species. I wanted to get another clown to make a pair. I bought what I think is an ocellaris (who knows because no LFS's seems to really differentiate them) and now that I have them in the tank together they look quite different (i.e., I think the first one must have been a perc... the front of its dorsal fin is more rounded, its white bands are thicker, and he is almost totally jet black at a size when all of the ocellaris' I've seen still have a lot of orange on their noses). It doesn't much matter to me as they seem to get along well, but I just want to know...
 
If the fish is all black (the only white being on the stripes and maybe a little orange on the nose), then it is A. ocellaris, as there aren't any all-black A. percula clownfish. Almost everyone mis-labels these as "black-percs," when they are really O's. One easy way to tell the difference between the species thought is the circle around the eye. This area is dark in A. ocellaris and lighter orange/yellow in A. percula. If you take a look at some "known" perculas and ocellaris next time at your LFS, I think you will then be able to tell the difference using this method on more "questionable" specimens. Hope this helps!
 
Thanks for the info! These species seem to be so often mislabeled that I don't know that I've ever seen a "known" species. They are both all black except for the nose, so it would seem that I have ocellarus.
 
I would not go against these guys advice, but just a related story. I have a clarkii in each of my two 75 gal tanks. They were a pair that was killing corals by stirring the sand. I caught the big female and moved her. The male I have not been able to catch, but he stopped stirring the sand. I got a pair of black percs a couple of weeks ago and put them in with the clarkii and they get along great for now. They are very small percs though.
 
Lincutis:

Just wondering, what kind of "Orthopedics"? Check my Occupation, and you will understand the question.

Rick
 
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