Closed Loop and return pump questions

buzzsaw

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Ok, I have a 190 gallon aquarium( in wall) that I am setting up, it has overflow box with 3 holes drilled, 2 holes with 1-1/2" bulkheads and 1 hole with 1" bulkhead. I also have 4 holes drilled in the back with 1" bulkheads for closed loop.
My return pump is a Sequence Marlin (2050 GPH), I was going to split the feed at some point to run skimmer, but not at first and use as return pump also. But I was thinking maybe use it for the close loop and get another pump for the return?

I also have an Iwaki 40RXLT that I was going to use but it is not running correctly, I assume the brushes are out on it? It will run if you get it started by spinning it by hand, but it want start turning on its own.

My questions are what bulkhead holes should I use for return in the overflow box and what should I use for intake on close loop?

Any thoughts and help appreciated.
 
Interesing set up, will be a great tank I'm sure! My (very inexperienced) thoughts:

Option 1)
Tell me, is it a glass tank? the reason I was asking was becuase it may be nice to open that 1" bulkhead in the overflow box up to a 1.5", and drill an additional 1.5" or 2" bulkhead in the back of the tank for the CL intake. If you go this route, you could balance two 1.5" drains in the overflow box (there are ways of doing this fairly easily and can give you a link to a thread or two as a guide). Then you could run the third bulkhead as your return and split it into two 1" returns coming over the top of the overflow box with loc-line nozzles to direct the flow (you could even split these again into 4 loc-line nozzles). I would consider using the Iwaki or similar pump for this, and use the marlin for your closed loop, reason being that you really want your flow to come from the closed loop, and should maximize your sump/skimmer's filtration efficeincy by slowing down the turnover rate to about 4-7X per hour or so through the sump. Now, the closed loop would be a cinch (as long as you have good access behind your tank--do you have a fish roon back there?) Just plumb the newly drilled bulkhead in the back of the tank to the marlin, and run the return to an OM 4-way device, and plumb that to the 4 existing bulkheads.

Option 2: No tank drilling
If you are totally averse to drilling the extra hole in the back and widening the one in the overflow compartment as sugested above, you may want to run the intake of the closed loop over the back of the tank (given you've got room back there). The only obvious downside here (to me) would be that you would have to prime the pump, but that should be easy enough to do by tapping the intake plumbing near the top with a 1/4" valve allowing you to suck the air out of the line to prime the pump. the rest of the closed loop I'd do the same way as outlined above. As for the sump intakes and return, i'd do the same thing as suggested above with the two drains and one return, but instead of widening the hole for a larger bulkehad you could just leave it be and run a single 1" return split at the top into two 1" loc lines (or 3/4'). this will definitely limit the amount of flow you'd get through the sump somewhat, since head pressure and resistance increase a lot when going from 1.5" to 1" plumbing, but that may not necessarily be a bad thing as long as you have the right return pump. as stated above, you don't need a ton of turnover, just a ton of flow. I would definitely run an iwaki 40 or 55 (or something similar) for this application--something pressure rated with 1" inlet and outlet. if you're going to tee off to your skimmer, you may want to think about upgrading to the 55. BTW, what skimmer are you using? what are your plans for lighting and livestock? sounds like a great project! you should check out my thread, "jessezm's 200g pentagon project."

these are just my initial thoughts, and i'm sure others will chime in and have a lot of different ideas, so keep an open mind! good luck!
 
Jessezm, thanks for your reply. It is a glass tanks, so I don't want to drill it again. I do have a fish room behind the wall but it's not huge. I like your ideas but if there was a way around not plumbing the intake over the back, I would rather not have to prime the pump. If I could use one of the holes in the overflow box for the closed loop, that would be optimum.
I have a small skimmer right now that is for a 125 gallon, I plan to upgrade at some point. My lighting will be 2-MH 175 and 1-MH 400W, with some additional flourescent lighting. I plan to keep mostly fish with a few corals, haven't really decide yet.

Anyone else have thoughts or ideas?
 
Hmm... I would advise against using one of those drains for the CL intake--I'm not sure your overflow box is designed to accept so much flow through the slots, and it would be very difficult to balance that intake with the drain for the sump in my imagination. but let's here from so other folks, shall we?
 
Can anyone else give me their thoughts on this, jessezm has been helpful, but I would like an alternative to priming pump on the close loop. If close loop pump is below water level, say pulling from the sump could I do it that way?
 
if you pull from the sump you will probably have trouble keeping the sump from running dry (due to the overflow slots not providing enough flow)
I just did a retrofit closed loop on mine I had to drop a inlet pipe about 7 inches dwon from the top for the pump to draw water out of the tank. I the dropped 2 more 2" returns near the top blowing down at a 45 degree angle, it works good, and In a tear or less I'm sure the pipe will have coralline and stuff on it and wont be really bad looking, after all sometimes you have to deal with ugly pipes if the original install didnt prove adequate
 
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