Closed Loop?

I have a closed-circle NANO tank and it's doing great. Makes absolutely zero sound and doesn't look bad. The filter I use is modified Eheim 2222, but you can select a much bigger Eheim, load it with live rock rubble and chaeto. Even put some sand bed in..


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closed loop is still the cleanest looking I think. You can hide the intake behind some rocks. Looks very factory as opposed to powerheads all over the place. As for the Vortechs I don't know that they are worth what they cost but I would hate to be without them.
 
HOB closed loops would be those old diatom and magnum 300 filters. 2 hoses in and no air in filter chambers. both the intake and outlet just have to remain below the water line to keep air out to be a closed loop.
 
I think each system has its place and is useful in certain types of setup. It's up to the hobbyist to understand the pros and cons and plan something that will work for him/her. It's my opinion that closed loops are more worth it in nano/small/medium tanks, but not so much in bigger tanks.


The main pros & cons of a CL are, IMO:

Pro
- Looks: no powerheads visible, and inlets/outlets can be well hidden

Con
- Someone mentioned cost effectiveness, but as far as I've heard, that's the main con: Major electricity usage.
- As someone mentioned, you have to get the flow right. That means properly sized & engineered overflow and drains, as well as return lines. Otherwise you get a lot of noise, as well as stir up your sandbed, get microbubbles, etc.
- Any moving mechanical equipment like an Oceans motions needs regular maintenance, and gets clogged every so often, or in some setups are no end of trouble.
- plumbing failures, leaks (probably minor if you plan well)


If I were to set up a large tank (say 200g+), I would go with hidden circulation powerheads--Tunze, Koralia, Vortech, etc. I've seen it artfully done so you see very little or nothing. They can also be cleverly hidden inside a center column or back wall of custom rockwork. But you have to be able to pull them out for maintenance. The hassle would be mainly in the setup. If you could place them in a way that they're hardly seen or completely invisible, this would be best.

In smaller tanks, it's hard or impossible to hide the relatively huge Koralia's or Tunze's, so a closed loop starts looking much more attractive. It would be my choice. And while electricity usage may be relatively greater, practically it's often quite ignorable for a small tank (say 75g-).

And of course, there are endless possible combinations of closed loops and a sump & return, or with in-tank powerheads. If there's one thing we learn in this hobby, it's that there are many ways to skin a cat successfully.

These would be the major factors in my choice:
- Can I make it look good? This means keeping all equipment as invisible as possible.
- Can I make it run silent? We love a silent tank.
- Will it create the flow my tank needs?
- Can I pull it out/take it apart for maintenance as easily as possible? We dislike maintenance, but we hate hassle and complications even more.
- Is electricity usage acceptable to me? Your pocketbook and priorities will have to answer that one.
- Does it have a good track record of durability, minimum maintenance, minimum breakdowns, etc.?

You can research all of those online. There are ingenious ways to solve all problems, come up with by very smart or just plain persistent people.
 
I dont think that closed loops are necessarily outdated yet. The pump noise can certainly be handled. Even with bigger external pumps, isolating vibration goes a long way to running quietly. There are a handful of guys running big three phased closed loop pumps on variable frequency drives that have virtually silent pumps pushing 4000+gph. Closed loops are definitely a different kind of flow than stream pumps. In my opinion, if youre going to design a closed loop, you should be looking at a return manifold as it gives you all of the flexibility and adjustability you could need. They arent energy efficient, but they are definitely less of an eyesore in tank, more flexible, more adjustable, and still relevant in my opinion. They really arent that complicated either. The plumbing is all basic stuff. The keys in my opinion are designing it with the fewest flow restrictions possible to maximize pump output, having more outlets than you need for flexibility, using locline for adjustability, and sizing your pump appropriately. I wouldnt trade my closed loop for two mp40s...

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It's amazing. I haven't been to the forum since 2010. Crazy.

My closed loop tank is still the same and has been running for close to 10 years now. My Eheim 2222 is as good as new and has been working for the last 10 years with no issues.

Actually I hit a jackpot and literally got a pile of equipment from craigslist add for basically close to free. One of 4 filters I got was Eheim 2226 which I'm planning to hook instead of 2222 but need to mod the impeller to slow down the water from say 760l/h to say 500-600 or close to what 2222 has.

Uploaded better photo to already existing album
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