Clown Fish - brooklynella?

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rinconmike

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I have a yellow strip clown (2.5") for 5 days. Along with the clown I have the following that I also have for 5 days (got all last saturday).

2 azure damsels (less than 1")
2 green chromis (less than 1")
1 Kaudern's Cardinal (2")
1 Bicolor dotty back (1.5")
1 Coral Beauty Angelfish (around 2")

all are in a 55 gallon QT I have set up since December. bare bottom and only some pvc. 2 HOB Filters on it.

All fish seem fine except the clown. The clown looks like it is breathing a little heavy. It looks like a white film over his mouth just below between the eyes (a very small area). I do not see anything anywhere else on the body. it looks almost as if it is a little bit of skin that is coming off from rubbing against something (some of the film peeled off so it is not there).

I got all fish but the clown from Live Aquaria. The clown i got from a LFS. They said they had him for about a month.

Could this be Brook or something else? I do plan on treating all the fish with prazipro and then cupramine, but nothing else.

Should I treat the QT for Brook?

thanks,

Mike
 
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copper is not effective on Brook; a freshwater bath in the same temp and pH as the QT water is a start; formalin is the best if it is brook
 
thanks. I am not sure if it is brook or not. If the clown does have it, can I assume the other fish in the same QT will have it? Should I treat all the fish in the 55 gallon QT just in case?

Is the Quick Cure listed on the above wetwebmedia link the best to use?

I could go get a 20 gallon and treat the clown separately, but then my concern is the other fish have it and in 2 months when I want to introduce any into my display, I will also be introducing the parasite.

thanks,

Mike
 
well i tired a formalin bath with quick cure and the fish died.

I am not sure if I did anything wrong or the fish was indeed sick.

now the question is, is this parasite in the tank and will the other fish carry it? If so, then I need to treat the tank?

thanks for any help.
 
I would just sit tight and closely observe all the other fish for any symptoms. Whatever killed the clown might not have been transferred to any of your other fish. Btw, sorry for your loss. Was the clown in bad shape when you did the dip? Btw, found more info on Brook for you:

http://www.fishvet.com/Brooklynella.htm
 
The clown did not look to good before the dip so i decided to do it. 10 minutes into the dip he seemed the same. When I took him out at 15 minutes, looked just about dead. Maybe I did it wrong. I did RO water at same temp and ph as the tank and then added 4 drops of the quick cure for the 4 gallons. Maybe i should have used tank water instead of RO. I also had an airstone in there.

I probably should have never got the clown. I am more concerned with the other fish.

I did order some Quinine sulphate from fish pharmacy that I will have next week in case I need it.

I would rather risk losing all these fish treating them than put any of them in my 150 FO tank or 29 biocube. Just not sure what to do next, but as you note, since the fish seem fine for now, I am going to hold off on any more meds.

thanks,

Mike
 
rinconmike said:
The clown did not look to good before the dip so i decided to do it. 10 minutes into the dip he seemed the same. When I took him out at 15 minutes, looked just about dead. Maybe I did it wrong. I did RO water at same temp and ph as the tank and then added 4 drops of the quick cure for the 4 gallons. Maybe i should have used tank water instead of RO. I also had an airstone in there.
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I would have done the Formalin bath in s/w from the tank. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think most s/w fish can take 15 mins in f/w.

Oh well, nothing you can do now but watch and wait with the other fish in the QT. Post back to this thread if you have any more problems.
 
yeah. i thought of it after that I should have used just tank water.

anyway, the cardinal looked like he was breathing heavy this morning, so decided to treat the 55qt with quick cure. cardinal looks worse now 2 hours later, but the other fish still seem ok. I am going to follow the directions on the quick cure and do another treatment tomorrow and maybe a third and final on monday.

I still have Quinine sulfate coming, but did not want to wait if it is indeed brook that is now attacking the cardinal.

thanks
 
yeah. i thought of it after that I should have used just tank water.

anyway, the cardinal looked like he was breathing heavy this morning, so decided to treat the 55qt with quick cure. cardinal looks worse now 2 hours later, but the other fish still seem ok. I am going to follow the directions on the quick cure and do another treatment tomorrow and maybe a third and final on monday.

I still have Quinine sulfate coming, but did not want to wait if it is indeed brook that is now attacking the cardinal.

thanks
 
I hear ya, keep me updated. I'm sure you've already figured this out but the next time you place a big order with Live Aquaria, don't throw a fish from a LFS into the mix. Live Aquaria has a pretty solid reputation for having mostly disease free livestock. A LFS will try to entice you to buy with the "I've had that fish for a month" line and sometimes they are telling the truth. Problem is how many other fish shipments have come and gone in the same tank that clown was in? Every new fish shipment is like that clown having unprotected sex, it's a roll of the dice...
 
b0bab0ey said:
I hear ya, keep me updated. I'm sure you've already figured this out but the next time you place a big order with Live Aquaria, don't throw a fish from a LFS into the mix. Live Aquaria has a pretty solid reputation for having mostly disease free livestock. A LFS will try to entice you to buy with the "I've had that fish for a month" line and sometimes they are telling the truth. Problem is how many other fish shipments have come and gone in the same tank that clown was in? Every new fish shipment is like that clown having unprotected sex, it's a roll of the dice...
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+1 ....and adding too many fish at once to your DT isn't a good idea.
I've heard good things about Quinine Sulfate for ich, but I don't know about using it on brooklynella. If you suspect this was a brook caused death, I'd treat the entire QT with regular Formalin at the first sign of any new brook. This is a very nasty, fast killer. Although its called Clownfish disease, (almost) any fish can become infected. I'm not convinced that anything else is really effective against brook and I've used it successfully several times. Here's some good basic info on Formalin, hit the 'more info" tab:http://www.fosterandsmithaquatics.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=21423
 
thanks guys. the cardinel is gone now too.

learned good lessons:

1. To many at once (even though small)
2. LFS with Live Aquaria
3. Fresh Water dip only for a few minutes
4. Have meds on hand

So far, the other are ok. I have treated with quick cure. Will do the 3 daily doses. Then wait a couple of weeks. I ordered some Formalin MS too and might do a treatment with that.

thanks,

Mike
 
bobaboey , thanks for posting up those articles . i had never heard of such a thing ..and actually think i lost 2 clowns to it after reading up .
 
Today I did the 3rd dose of the Quick Cure. Per directions, tomorrow morning I put carbon.

None of the other fish are showing signs like the two that dies did (heavy breathing mainly).

One question, I the fish show no signs over the next 2 months, can I assume the brook is gone? Or is there a chance that they can still carry the parasite and when I move them to a display, they infect other fish?

If there is a chance of that, if a couple of weeks I will do a recommended course of treatment with Formalin MS to make sure it is gone.

thanks,

Mike
 
rinconmike said:
One question, I the fish show no signs over the next 2 months, can I assume the brook is gone? Or is there a chance that they can still carry the parasite and when I move them to a display, they infect other fish?

If there is a chance of that, if a couple of weeks I will do a recommended course of treatment with Formalin MS to make sure it is gone.

thanks,

Mike
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I'd say if you don't see any further signs after 2 months, you're good to go. Aren't you glad you QT'd? I would still treat the QT w/Cupramine and Prazi as you planned... but not until you're reasonably sure you're done with the Brook and don't have to treat with Formalin. I just wouldn't suggest mixing Formalin w/Cupramine and Prazi.
 
yes. glad I QTd. I'd rather make a mistake or lose a fish in QT than in a display. I will probably run carbon for 1 to 2 weeks before I treat with Prazi (assuming no signs of Brook). Then after a prazi treatment do cupramine.

I am still not sure if the clown had brook. However, the symptoms were there. I think it died becuase I screwed up the FW dip.

As for the cardinal, signs were there too (just heavy breathing) and maybe it had it or something else and the quick cure was too much. I am just surprised (but glad) that if ti was Brook, the Angel has no signs.
 
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