Clownfish issue or paranoia on my part?

RokleM

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I have a relatively new set of Black Oc's. They're beautiful, very very energetic, and eat anything that hits the water.

For background, I have 315ish total gallons between two tanks, sump, frag tank, etc. Parameters couldn't be any better or more stable, nor do I see any issues with any of the other 19 fish that inhabit the various sytems.

These guys are in with a sixline, two gobies, and 7 Anthias. They get along great with everyone, and never have I seen the slightest bit of aggression towards the new fish. They've been in the tank for about 3 weeks. As a matter of fact, in a very weird sense, I've seen the large male Anthias almost protecting the clowns (weird huh?).

The larger of the two is a little over an inch. The smaller is about 3/4". They clearly aren't breeding yet, but in the last week, I've seen the 3/4" male submitting and doing the "twitch dance".

Alllll of that info as a side note to answer all the questions that will come up. The issue was seen first yesterday. As I stated, they are all very vigorous eaters. As a matter of fact, being in the Anthias tank, they get a couple small meals a day, and participate every time. Yesterday I was feeding for the first time, and I noticed the male was swimming slowly down in one of the locations they're nesting near. He did not react what so ever when the food entered the water. The female reacted immediately. I noticed his breathing was a bit elevated, although he shows no signs of stress what so ever (no physical damage, mouth open, ich, etc). The same occurred again today without him feeding.

Clownfish are goofy, and it's hard to tell due to the good flow in the tank, but it almost looks like he very occasionally looses his center of gravity, and will tip slightly. After just a fraction of an inch of movement, he rights himself again. I know that's hard to describe, but think of yourself kind of getting tired where you just start to blank out, then kind of snap yourself awake quick. It's almost like that. I spent almost an hour watching him today to notice that. It could have been something they've always done, but hard to tell.

I've been fortunate enough to have been attempting to steer them towards their anemone (no, he hasn't got in it or near, so doubt "sting" damage) just after dark with a glass cleaner. I took advantage of that again tonight, got his attention with that, and slowly scooped him up and put him in a 10 gallon QT tank.

Thoughts? I'd hate to loose this little guy, especially as I can't really SEE anything wrong at this point. Before anyone mentions it, their food gets dosed heavy with garlic, selcom (SP?), vitachem, etc almost daily. Nothing further to add there. I don't want to put him back in until I can confirm he's eating heathy again.

It's been very difficult to get pictures (as I said, active buggers), but here was the best shot I've got so far:

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I wouldn't be worried about it as long as he's eating. Assuming he is starting to submit to the female it is natural that he will wait until she has eaten before he does. If he is really off of his food it could be internal parasites, in which case pull them both and treat together. If he isn't off his food get him back in with his mate where he belongs.
 
I would agree with your feeding statement (waiting), but that is probably more applicable to small aquariums with few inhabitants. They are in a 180.

He wasn't eating, that was why I was truly concerned. *insert nasty part* I saw him pooping this morning, which is a good thing.

I'll see if I can get him to eat in QT tonight. My female still is 100% active (more like hyper just like he was), with no signs of issues. If he starts eating again, I'll slip him back into the tank. If he still doesn't, I'm not sure what exactly to treat since he doesn't have any noticeable issues.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8230143#post8230143 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RokleM
I would agree with your feeding statement (waiting), but that is probably more applicable to small aquariums with few inhabitants.

It has nothing to do with tank size. Female clowns eat first if they are paired and they should be eating significantly more than the male.
 
I watched for about 15 minutes, and he didn't even acknowledge food hit the water. As well, there was no attempt to eat that I saw.

We'll see what happens tonight in QT.
 
Still not eating as far as I can see (this would be day 3), and still breathing quickly. No sign of any illness or other issues. I gave him a quick 1-2 minute FW dip as I've seen recommended, and nothing occurred other than him stressing a bit of course.

I'm at a loss right now. :(
 
rokle.. hiya :) I would start a treatment of maracyn 2.
You'll want to double the dose (so 2 tabs the first day, 1 tab each day the rest of treatment)

It has a stimulant to get it eatting agian, and should help ease his breathing

it treats a plethra of things, and since you dont know what it may be its a good place to start.

My maroon had these same symtoms when i got her. first no eatting, then heavy breathing. then her cheeks swelled and eventually fin rot (all in a 3-4 day period)

maracyn 2 cured her. I hafta believe it was a bacteria infection. but im not sure.

fw dip wouldent do much unless theres parasites present.

what did his poop look like? was it white and stringy at all? if so you'll also want to start an internal parasite treatment. I have the names of some meds if you need them. you'll hafta order them tho.

wish you luck. it'll be ok. esp in a qt :)

maggie
 
I would not perform any more FW dips until the problem is diagnosed.

Your clowns might have a nest hidden from you. Male clowns do not eat much while attending the nest.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8233817#post8233817 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TOURKID
rokle.. hiya :) I would start a treatment of maracyn 2.
You'll want to double the dose (so 2 tabs the first day, 1 tab each day the rest of treatment)

It has a stimulant to get it eatting agian, and should help ease his breathing

it treats a plethra of things, and since you dont know what it may be its a good place to start.

My maroon had these same symtoms when i got her. first no eatting, then heavy breathing. then her cheeks swelled and eventually fin rot (all in a 3-4 day period)

maracyn 2 cured her. I hafta believe it was a bacteria infection. but im not sure.

fw dip wouldent do much unless theres parasites present.

what did his poop look like? was it white and stringy at all? if so you'll also want to start an internal parasite treatment. I have the names of some meds if you need them. you'll hafta order them tho.

wish you luck. it'll be ok. esp in a qt :)

maggie

Thanks. Can I get that local easy? I'll place some calls. I was wondering if the cheeks were a little puffy, but I wasn't sure enough to mention it. That's possible. I didn't really notice how the poop looked, but I noticed it "hung on" for a bit. Please send me the links so I can take a look.

The reason for the dip was the lack of symptoms, and yet symptoms of various issues. It was a quick one, with as little stress as possible. He's getting use to my "attention" so submits pretty easy.

Thanks guys.
 
Found some, treatment is started :thumbsup: It looks to be slow release, so I'll see how he's doing in a few hours.

What's the thoughts on the female? They came in on the same shipment to the LFS (although I haven't heard of any other issues what so ever), both in QT together, hang in tank together, etc. She does not currently show any signs of sluggishness or lack of eating (little pig), so I assume it would be best to leave her be in the main tank. Or is it better as a precaution to get her into QT and treat as well just in case?
 
it does take awhile to disolve. your water will be pee yellow. thats ok.

as for the female I cant say. I only had 1 fish when it happened to me, Id look into bacteria infections and see if its contagious. It was my assumption that it happened from stress/breakdown of immune system. But im no expert by any means. I actually had contacted a marine biologist to help me save mine. she recommended the maracyn 2.

Keep paying attention to the female and males poop. If they are white and stringy, you'll need to treat theyre food with the meds. Lenmme dig up my old threads... internal parasites wouldent cause the heavy breathing and what not though. my lil juvi maroon had internal parasites. i was able to treat him in my reef, just doesing its food. (female got the food too. wasent a big deal.)

ok. for the internal parasites
praziquantel
or
metrondazole

fosters has both. but i wanted it faster. AA has this stuff from 'gel tek' its an orange gel that contains both medicines. (ones for gram posative one for gram negative) it says to only feed your fish the gel for three days, but mine wouldent eat the gel so i treated the food....

crap :( I must have deleted what i was looking for when i cleaned out my PM boxes. it was a good one too.

I did find the thread about my sick fish. its kinda embarrassing now that i look at it lol I was pretty bad off as a newbie. but you can see it if u want. it is just her recommending and explaining why i needed maracyn2..
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=812824
 
Thanks for the info. All the fish food is heavily dosed with garlic (much more than recommended by the bottles), so hopefully parasites are not an issue. I'll leave the female as she is, and continue to keep a very close eye on her.
 
No signs of any changes after a day and a half of the Maracyn 2. The additional medication is showing up today, so hopefully some of it ISN'T based off of food additives since he's still not eating that I can see.

The female still seems perfect.
 
Still a bit elevated. I'll watch him for 15-30 minutes when I try the other treatments tonight. That will let me know if it's "excited" quick breathing, or is still an issue.
 
sweet. the gel tek has the metrondazole in it, but its a low percent.

why formilin? do you think it could be brook? your not seeing any shedding skin are you? Im ure its used for more than that, just havent looked...

keep up the maracyn2 tho.

see u at the swap :D
 
oh hey. If your not seeing any results. theres a woman named leebeca that lurks in the disease forum. not near as much as she used to, but if you can catch her, or she replies to your thread there, take her advice as golden. shes good. I could pm her with this thread to if you want. let me know
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8247964#post8247964 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TOURKID
sweet. the gel tek has the metrondazole in it, but its a low percent.

why formilin? do you think it could be brook? your not seeing any shedding skin are you? Im ure its used for more than that, just havent looked...

keep up the maracyn2 tho.

see u at the swap :D

No, I picked up the formilin just in case I ever need it while I was thinking about it. We'll see how he's doing tomorrow after this first dose. I saw some stringy white poop today. He MAY be sneaking food while I'm not looking. I don't know of any other way he'd be doing his business if he hasn't shown signs of eating for 4-5 days.
 
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