rojasredrum
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they look like the onyx percula's that are on this post on the first page.They just have a little more orange and or still juveniles and was hoping that they would turn colors if they are the rite ones.
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oama
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If the fish your are looking at are Onyx or SI Percula, the orange will always be there as adults. Look above a few pics for the Black Var. of A. ocellaris. These can become fully black to just a hint of orange around the snout, but the fins are black (unlike the percula varients). Note also, the pic of the black var. of A. clarkii.
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Rod Buehler
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oama said:
Maybe you can answer.. Why are black ocellaris marketed as percula.. why are they not marketed as black ocellaris? is it to try to bring in a few more dollars?
JHardman
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Rod Buehler said:
Well I can't speak for ORA, but I am pretty sure Doug would agree...
The big problem is that many of a breeder's customers (the LFS) do not know latin names, do not care to learn or educate their customers.
Here is one example... I went to small LFS here in Phoenix. I asked "I have ocellaris ready for sale, would you be interested?". The owner and most "knowledgeable" person in the store asked me "what is an ocellaris, never heard of them before, is that a fish?". After I explained to him what they were, he copped a big attitude and insisted that there was no such thing as an Ocellaris, that those are Percula and nothing, not even picking up a copy of Joyce Wilkerson book in his store and showing him would convince him otherwise.
Here is another example... Another LFS here... I go in to take a look around, they are known for having some good price on inverts. I see one tank with black A. polymnus labeled as "black percs", I walk a little further down the row of tanks only to find another tank with black A. ocellaris labeled as "black percs". I turn the corner and come back up with other side of tanks an find yet another tank labeled "black percs", this time it has domino damsels in it! When I questioned the owner about it, his response was that he sold the fish based on what the wholesaler called the fish, and frankly didn't care if they were labeled correctly or not because his customers didn't care.
Frankly I give a big thumbs up to breeders and wholesalers like ORA and Quality Marine that actually use both common names and latin species and stand behind their IDs.
Rod Buehler
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oama said:Um.... What John said.
K.. I Guess
but if the leaders that really know better dont make it right, how will the LFS that doesnt know any better ever get it right? It should start somewhwere.. If the leaders are mis labeling them everyone else will too. I look at ORA as leaders.. Come on Oama change the world .Hey, would you guys have a look at this thread and post your thoughts..
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=352358&goto=newpost
JHardman
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Rod Buehler said:K.. I Guess
Hey, would you guys have a look at this thread and post your thoughts..
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=352358&goto=newpost
You missed my last sentence...
ORA does list their stock with both latin species names AND common names. It is up to the LFS to take the hint, but frankly it has to come from the hobbyist, by demanding that the livestock they buy be correctly identified and labeled with a latin species name and a common if they want to or need to.
Quality Marine is also listing most (80%+) of their livestock with latin species too. I am starting to see other wholesalers list some species with latin names too. Some likely never will, after all if you sell someone an A. sebae it had better be an A. sebae and not an A. clarkii, with common names there is always an argument. Actually had a wholesaler tell me "all sebae are really clarkii and I should know I have been doing this for 25 years, so don't tell me I am wrong!!!!!".
So I do think the supply chain is getting the idea, but the pressure has to come from the money source, the end customer. If a LFS started losing sales because customer refused to buy anything that wasn't listed with a latin species name, you would see a big change and fast.
Rod Buehler
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JHardman said:
I cought the last sentance just fine
. I just dont think that a *common name * for A ocellaris shoud be percula.. that very confusing.. who gave these black ocellaris the common name of black percula? and if the common name of an ocellaris is percula, what is the*common name* for percula? I understand that is basically the LFs fault, but th eprope names have to start somewhere, and if they are being sold to the LFS as percs ( which they arent) what is the LFS supposed to do?
oama
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LOL Well, if I could change the world, That would be one of the first things I would change! It has always bugged me. About at the same level as marine hobbists using the term "Ich". There is no Marine Ich, so why does everyone use that name?????
Anywho...I just raise them. I know what I raise. It's not my job to sell them. But then again, how often does the phone ring and people are saying "Can you ship me XXX Nemos, tomorrow?" Too often.
Anywho...I just raise them. I know what I raise. It's not my job to sell them. But then again, how often does the phone ring and people are saying "Can you ship me XXX Nemos, tomorrow?" Too often.
Rod Buehler
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heh, I hear ya !
JHardman
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I hear you Rob and I think we are all on the same page or more less.
No one really gave A. ocellaris the common name perc(ula). It is kind of the word spam. It used to just mean a canned ham product, now it also means unsolicited email. Who gave it that name, well maybe in todayââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s information age we might be able to track that person down, but I really doubt you will ever find the person that first called a A. ocellaris and perc(ula).
This is very close to another pet peeve of mine. The misidentification of clownfish species. I do not know how many times I have seen VERY VERY bad ID's. We would not put up with it in say a drug store "so is that aspirin really aspirin or antacid?".
No one really gave A. ocellaris the common name perc(ula). It is kind of the word spam. It used to just mean a canned ham product, now it also means unsolicited email. Who gave it that name, well maybe in todayââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s information age we might be able to track that person down, but I really doubt you will ever find the person that first called a A. ocellaris and perc(ula).
This is very close to another pet peeve of mine. The misidentification of clownfish species. I do not know how many times I have seen VERY VERY bad ID's. We would not put up with it in say a drug store "so is that aspirin really aspirin or antacid?".
Rod Buehler
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JHardman said:I hear you Rob and I think we are all on the same page or more less.
Agreed.. and it sound like we all have the same pet peeves
catastrofe
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