Clowns first or last?

gemmasicolo

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I haven't added any fish yet to my tank but once I do I wanted to keep a:

Yellow Watchman Goby
Sixline Wrasse or Royal Gramma (maybe both?)
A pair of clowns

In what order should I add them? Do the clowns go last since they are territorial?
 
I added my true percs first, then a royal gramma, then a randall's shrimp goby. There wasn't ever any aggression from the clowns but they were juveniles and I've heard that they get more territorial as they get older. None of your other livestock are of the damsel family/same body type so I don't think you'll have an issue regardless of the order.
 
In one tank, my ocelaris went in before my yellow watchman. The female nearly killed the watchman - I had to put him in the refugium for a while. Granted that was an individual fish, but I add my clowns last now.
 
I'd say it also depends on the age of the clowns. Juveniles can go in first because they are not territorial at all. A sexually mature pair is another story though.

If you are getting juveniles, I'd definitely add them before the wrasse. I've read 6 lines can be terrors.
 
They're giong to be juveniles.

Ok so depending on their availability I'll do the Watchman first, then clowns, and wrasse last.

Does anyone have a preference between the sixline wrasse and the royal gramma? Being that is a 24 Nano Cube is there one that would benefit more?

Thanks everyone!

I forgot to add that I already have a skunk cleaner shrimp and a peppermint shrimp.
 
I think the 6 line needs more swimming room and is more aggressive. I'd stick with the gramma in that size tank, although even 4 fish might be pushing it depending on the swimming room.
 
As of right now there is a lot a swimming room because I don't have as much live rock as I should. To tell you the truth i don't know how much I have. I'll post a pic later on.
 
Ok, here is a pic.

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I got my Watchman Goby two days ago. He's a baby and only about an inch or more big and I'm having a big problem with him.

If any of you are familiar with the Nano Cube 24 dx it has skimmer plate that attaches to the intake of the tank. Well, this little guy is so little that he keeps getting sucked in. So far I've found him in there every day i've had him. This morning he was all cramped up from being up against the suction of the skimmer. After I got him out of there he goes down to the sandbed and recovers but always goes back up to the top of the tank. Yesterday i found him in the sump too. I'm going to the lfs today to find a solution or have them take him back and wait till they get bigger ones because I feel so bad for this little guy.

Does anyone have any suggestions? This is what I'm thinking:
1. Find a fine netting to cover the skimmer.
2. Return the watchman to the lfs.
3. A quarantine tank untill he gets a little bigger? Not sure if this will work because I don't know how quickly they grow.

Also, what do I need for a quarantine tank? The basics..

Thanks!
 
I'm not really familiar with that, but it seems like netting will just stop him from getting sucked through but not actually sucked up against it in the first place. It seems like being pulled against the skimmer and held in place would be even more damaging.

It seems like you need either a sponge to cover the intake or else something rigid and porous that can be secured around the intake without actually blocking it- something that will allow water in but keep the goby at least a couple of inches away from the intake. (There are very little shower caddies that have suction cups on the sides. That may work, but I'm guessing on that since I don't know where the intake is.)

Generally for a quarantine tank, bigger is better, but you are dealing with a nano, so it's not like you are going to be adding a giant fish in there. :lol: It's mainly a matter of being able to keep water parameters stable. A little uneaten food in a 30 gallon QT will probably not have an effect. A little uneaten food in a 5 gallon QT could be disaster. There's also trouble keeping the SG stable in a smaller water volume.

A for what you need, it's fairly basic. You need a tank- even a rubbermaid container will work. It doesn't actually have to be glass. You need some sort of HOB filter. A sponge seeded from your main tank can generally keep ammonia from spiking, but I recommend getting one of those ammonia locking products to be on the safe side. You may need some sort of air stone and pump to keep up oxygen levels since you won't really have much flow in there. You need hiding spaces for your fish. I use pieces of pvc, about $1 each. You also need a small heater. Although my QT had sand and rock to keep it more stable, it's easier for maintenance to have a bare bottom tank so you can siphon out the junk that settles on the bottom.

You don't need a light, sand, rock, or anything else that will make it a beautiful setting for your fish to hang out in. Actually, the less the better in case you need to medicate.

I also made a mark on the outside of my tank that was the top off line. I didn't fill my tank all the way to the top, and I could easily see when it needed to have a bit of fresh water added to keep the SG stable.
 
I can't think of the exact brand name off the top of my head. It's something like ammo-lock or amquel. Maybe both of those are brands. They can keep ammonia toxicity down when a tank is cycling.
 
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