Just do the hypo, the copper is very tough on the fish and will kill all the bacteria in the tank, which means amm will rise and you'll have to do daily water changes. Hypo, you won't have to worry about that problem.
There are products such as copper safe and my favorite Cupramine that, in fact, will not kill the bacterial colonies in your tank. Properly used copper is not any deadlier to fish than the complications that hypo can cause.
Hypo has become the in thing with regard to parasitic treatment. Copper has been around a long time and is still used by many professionals in the industry.
Hypo or copper, but not both. As Redfish stated above coppers like Cupramine will not kill all the "good" bacteria. If you are doing hypo you have to have a Refractometer to measure the salt level.
Also make sure that it is ich and not velvet. Hypo does not kill velvet.
Yes. To reiterate, don't do both. Sorry I missed that. It would be alright to lower salinity somewhat for stress relief but not to hypo levels if treating with copper.
What is the main difference between ich and velvet? I'm 99% sure it's ich (the fish is rubbing on the rocks, very small detection of white spots a day ago, now they're gone)...getting ready for their next "offensive." What are they main signs/sympotoms of velvet?
I just did Copper and hypo at the same time, was not sure it Ick or Od. They work fine together, you just need to test the copper level, redose, wait a few hours and test again and redose if needed. And do it every day for at least 21 days.
I am currently on day 3 of hypo and day 2 or copper+hypo. I had 2 deaths from a trio and the third was showing signs of illness and not eating before starting this treatment. In one day there was marked improvement and I hope for a full recovery.
You definitely need to monitor the fish closely when doing this. If the fish does not show improvement in 24 hours then treatment is not working correctly or wrong treatment in my experience.
Mine is being done in a QT w/ PVC, chiller, and skimmer only.
Red, coppersafe does indeed kill the bacteria in the tank......i have been there done that a few times with it. I could care less what the bottle says.
Q: Will the Cupramine kill nitrifying bacteria in the filter? I used it to treat the parasite problem in a 20g quarantine tank. Three days later, I tested the ammonia level, and it was about 0.5 ppm. The copper level was about 0.25 ppm, and the nitrite level was about 0ppm.
A: Cupramine may slightly retard the bacteria but overall it is safe to use and won't adversely affect the nitrifying bacteria. The reading of ammonia you're getting is most likely a false reading because Cupramine contains an organic amine which is very similar to ammonia in structure and the test kit is likely not able to distinguish between the two. You could try our MultiTest: Free and Total Ammonia test which does not have this issue and will not give a false positive... or you can use our Ammonia Alert which works on the same principal and will show only free ammonia.
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