Coral Beauty & Flame Angel?

[kass03]

They were both small when I got them. I ordered them online from flying fish which is now liveaquaria so it was years ago.
I think it was 2 years ago the flame killed the CB. They might have been together longer than 4 years I don't remember I had them a long time.

I still have the flame and have to say it's one of the prettiest fish I've ever had.

I never noticed them fight at all before that even when I got them.
They were in my 150 with plenty of rock.
I only have a few corals in that tank but alot of small feather dusters that they never picked on either.

It was just weird all of sudden I noticed the CB kept hanging out at the top of the tank but looked ok so I did'nt know why.
So I kept watching and the flame would beat the crap out of the CB whenever it tried to go anywhere near any rock.

Nothing had changed my fish usually live pretty long so no new ones at the time.
The flame has never picked on any other of my fish either except when I got a jewel damsel for the first few days but they're fine together now.

I don't think I'd put 2 pygmy's together again.
I certainly would'nt add any with the flame I have now.

kass

 

[erc111]

I had a very purple CB in my previous 120 setup that did very well with a sohal a couple of clowns , royal gramma, lawnmower and lots of zoas.
I added a smaller flame and the larger CB freaked. It would race from side to side , try to attack it's image in the glass.
The flame never paid any attention to the CB.
I moved the CB but it never settled down and didn't last.

I have a CB in the new 120 setup and would lke another flame but I alredy have toooo many fish; cb, hippo. 8 yr old maroon, firefish, lawnmower,6 dispars and 13 green chromis, in a bb tank with 6 sps, 2 lps and zoas..

 

[wayne in norway]

I would get them both small as possible, and at the same time.

I have a spawning pair of flavipectoralis in a 65, I got them about an inch in size, pairing was easy. Keeping nonpaired conspecifics together will be a bit more hit and miss.

Nipping, or not is hit or miss also ... guess you've got to be prepared for some casualties.

 

[Angel*Fish]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7736266#post7736266 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kass03
They were both small when I got them. I ordered them online from flying fish which is now liveaquaria so it was years ago.
I think it was 2 years ago the flame killed the CB. They might have been together longer than 4 years I don't remember I had them a long time.

I still have the flame and have to say it's one of the prettiest fish I've ever had.

I never noticed them fight at all before that even when I got them.
They were in my 150 with plenty of rock.
I only have a few corals in that tank but alot of small feather dusters that they never picked on either.

It was just weird all of sudden I noticed the CB kept hanging out at the top of the tank but looked ok so I did'nt know why.
So I kept watching and the flame would beat the crap out of the CB whenever it tried to go anywhere near any rock.

Nothing had changed my fish usually live pretty long so no new ones at the time.
The flame has never picked on any other of my fish either except when I got a jewel damsel for the first few days but they're fine together now.

I don't think I'd put 2 pygmy's together again.
I certainly would'nt add any with the flame I have now.

kass

Thanks for the info - I agree - the flame you have now would probably be unlikely to tolerate any new Centropyge addition. Who knows what goes through the mind of a fish?? Maybe he just reached a certain point in his sexual maturity? Maybe the CB developed some colors the flame didn't appreciate (like maybe his side stripes became more or even less contrasting with the background color) You didn't put different bulbs on the tank by any chance?

 

[deeppitt]

If Kass were to want to do this again, would it work/help to remove the flame and introduce a new CB for a week or so, then re-introduce the flame?
would changing the aquascape help?

It seems to me that my CB is eating much more aggressively than the flame. Perhaps that will lead to the CB growing faster and maybe giving the flame pause to think before harassing it...
just a thought. :idea:

Then again, maybe this is just the next paver in the road to complete self-delusion.

 

[fnicklaus]

These two will get along with enough space.

 

[JCnflies]

Can I ask what size tank you have the FA and CH in? I visted a friend the other day that had 3 nagels in a 4 ft, 100 galon or so (wider than a 75), One flame, one CB and a golden something or other. In another tank, he had 2 FAs.

I would love two angels in my 75

 

[Angel*Fish]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7742920#post7742920 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by deeppitt
If Kass were to want to do this again, would it work/help to remove the flame and introduce a new CB for a week or so, then re-introduce the flame?
would changing the aquascape help?

It seems to me that my CB is eating much more aggressively than the flame. Perhaps that will lead to the CB growing faster and maybe giving the flame pause to think before harassing it...
just a thought. :idea:

Not sure who you're asking but I'm happy to chime in with speculation... If Kass wanted to go to that much trouble I'd say rmove the flame for at least 2 weeks and add some dwarf angel other than a CB - something completely dissimilar - no vert. stripes & no horizontal blue striped on the rear fins & perhaps a larger fish. If I was to try it, I'd then add them a day apart (flame last)

It's good your CB is getting plenty to eat - your point seems plausible to me

 

[deeppitt]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7743700#post7743700 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by JCnflies
Can I ask what size tank you have the FA and CH in? I visted a friend the other day that had 3 nagels in a 4 ft, 100 galon or so (wider than a 75), One flame, one CB and a golden something or other. In another tank, he had 2 FAs.

I would love two angels in my 75

I don't know if that question was for me, but like Angel*Fish, I'll jump in. My tank is ~200 gal. (65x23x29) I have two separate piles of rock, one on each end, although that hasn't seemed to matter much.

BTW, Angel*Fish, I just lobbed that question/comment out there for anyone to respond to. Thanks for your input!

 

[Angel*Fish]

deeppitt,
when posting earlier that there were lots of hiding places in the 200 lb of rock - did you mean they are loosely stacked with lots of tunnels, etc. so they can swim thru the rocks?

I know it's unsightly but you do have the option of cutting a big piece of eggcrate to help "explain" to the flame that he will be sharing this space with the CB - a couple of weeks ought to be enough, I'd think

As for the separate bommies -- I'm not sure that it helps territorially, but it does help provide more surface area for grazing and for the fish to comfortably avoid each other. Especially if they are mostly freestanding and not leaning up against a back wall.

 

[deeppitt]

Angel*Fish
Yea, things are just as you describe: loose stacks with many tunnels.
The chasing is slowly getting worse.
The Flame doesn't necessarily seek out the CB to harass, but when their paths cross a chase ensues and the times are lengthening.
I am giving serious thought to your suggestion as I could easily divide the tank in half with eggcrate owing to the layout of my rock. Here is a not-so-great photo of the full tank in it's earlier days (before coral) but it shows the layout of the rock.

I'm all for doing that if it would help. I've been thinking of removing the Flame and putting it in the sump for a period .
I worry for the well-being of it down there; so, if this might work then I'll have a go.


Thanks!

 

[Angel*Fish]

Deeppit, I can't tell for sure from the photo - but if possible, in my opinion, it will help if you pull the rocks away from the glass so the fish can swim all the way around both of them. You might even add a small separate bommie in the middle area - at least temporarily.

If you are going to try the eggcrate, it makes sense, I think, to give the flame the smallest space.

One advantage to this technique is that if you open up the eggcrate and they still fight, you can always close it back up a while longer.

My plan would be to leave the eggcrate in the tank for a week or so after I opened it up so they can swim back and forth before actually taking it out of the tank - get them used to sharing with the barrier still there.

Please post and let me know how/if this works for you.

 

[kass03]

Why would I wanna try again when my flame killed my CB after living peacefully for years?
No thanks I don't need a CB that bad lol.
Maybe some day when my flame dies.
Of course in the 4-5 years I had them together I changed the bulbs several times.
I really think it prolly had something to do with maturity.

GL with yours. I hope they get along eventully.
IMO a 4 ft long tank just is'nt enough room territorialwise for both.

kass

 

[Angel*Fish]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7759296#post7759296 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kass03
Why would I wanna try again when my flame killed my CB after living peacefully for years?
No thanks I don't need a CB that bad lol.
Maybe some day when my flame dies.
Of course in the 4-5 years I had them together I changed the bulbs several times.
I really think it prolly had something to do with maturity.

GL with yours. I hope they get along eventfully.
IMO a 4 ft long tank just is'nt enough room territorialwise for both.

kass

I figured you changed the bulbs - I meant a significant change in K like switching from 10,000K to 20,000K or something. It was just a crazy idea -- but since fish see in different color channels than humans something that might be unnoticeable to us could be glaringly bright to them. I was thinking that maybe, to your flame, your CB suddenly appeared to have certain male flame characteristics. (Like, for example, lines on the rear fins)