Coral Beauty or Rusty Hybrid

[Jordani]

Which one should I choose to breed.

Coral Beauty x Flame

Rusty x Flame

 

[Luiz Rocha]

Wow, either one you end up choosing make sure you send me samples of the casualties!

 

[Jordani]

Definetly Luiz I don't want to waste any reef fish. How would I send them across the border to you?

 

[Luiz Rocha]

Send me a PM if it comes to that (but I am hoping all survive). If some of them don't make it, I have collaborators at the Royal Ontario Museum that can arrange tissue samples to be sent to me. I am pretty sure they would be glad to have the specimens too.

 

[Pickupman66]

are you actively breeding them? if so, KUDOS!!! I vote for the coral beauty hybrid, and ill be mroe than happy to house one for testing if need be.

 

[tcmfish]

Your question is a little vague.

Are you trying to spawn a flame with a coral beauty? or a flame with a rusty? Is that the question?

Or are you trying to spawn two hybrids?

Also how do you plan to raise them? I'm assuming you are trying to raise them when you say breed.

 

[Jordani]

Send me a PM if it comes to that (but I am hoping all survive). If some of them don't make it, I have collaborators at the Royal Ontario Museum that can arrange tissue samples to be sent to me. I am pretty sure they would be glad to have the specimens too.

Yeah I hope they'll survive but just incase.

are you actively breeding them? if so, KUDOS!!! I vote for the coral beauty hybrid, and ill be mroe than happy to house one for testing if need be.

I haven't bred and yet but planning to breed on or the other. I have access to the ocean for plankton and a 24" tall aquarium, so why not.

 

[tcmfish]

The plankton in your area, is probably coldwater (Canada...), so just guessing, but I don't think it will survive long enough in the warm water required for the larvae, for the larvae to feed enough on it.

It would probably work with some larvae that are quicker feeders, but Centropyge larvae are so fragile and tiny, I don't know if it will work. Might just foul your water.

Don't mean to be negative either, just want to have a discussion.

 

[Vili_Shark]

The plankton in your area, is probably coldwater (Canada...), so just guessing, but I don't think it will survive long enough in the warm water required for the larvae, for the larvae to feed enough on it.

It would probably work with some larvae that are quicker feeders, but Centropyge larvae are so fragile and tiny, I don't know if it will work. Might just foul your water.

Don't mean to be negative either, just want to have a discussion.

Its not only the size of the larvae.
Most spp of Groupers larvae is even smaller than Centropyge spp, but many are farmed.
Of course that people put alot of money in studying grouper farming rather than centropyge as it is a food source.

im guessing that the problem right now to breed centropyge species in captivity got to do with the kind of plancton they need to feed and not the size.

I know people who managed to grow them till a point that they die almost 2 weeks.

there's not much info available as unis are not getting grants on studying this subject, Frank have it, but of course he wont share it.

 

[tcmfish]

People raise angels for food too...

Asfurs and macs.

Just large volumes of water, large amounts of larvae, large amounts of zooplankton.

Smaller scale is much harder and environmental larval conditions become amplified, and prey type becomes much more important.

 

[twelvejewelz]

Its not only the size of the larvae.
Most spp of Groupers larvae is even smaller than Centropyge spp, but many are farmed.
Of course that people put alot of money in studying grouper farming rather than centropyge as it is a food source.

im guessing that the problem right now to breed centropyge species in captivity got to do with the kind of plancton they need to feed and not the size.

I know people who managed to grow them till a point that they die almost 2 weeks.

there's not much info available as unis are not getting grants on studying this subject, Frank have it, but of course he wont share it.

i believe the 2 week mark is the time they begin to morph. This is when they start to eat foods and i believe this is the problem with trying to breed and raise these fish is finding the correct food. RCT knows the secret but im sure they wont share it with us lol

 

[Vili_Shark]

i believe the 2 week mark is the time they begin to morph. This is when they start to eat foods and i believe this is the problem with trying to breed and raise these fish is finding the correct food. RCT knows the secret but im sure they wont share it with us lol

True.

 

[Vili_Shark]

People raise angels for food too...

Asfurs and macs.

Just large volumes of water, large amounts of larvae, large amounts of zooplankton.

Smaller scale is much harder and environmental larval conditions become amplified, and prey type becomes much more important.

People raise angels for food? can you elaborate on this please?

 

[tcmfish]

Different angels metamorphosis at different times. RCT has the times the angels the reached meta on their website IIRC, and some were pretty long and I don't believe any were two weeks, that is pretty short.

 

[Vili_Shark]

Different angels metamorphosis at different times. RCT has the times the angels the reached meta on their website IIRC, and some were pretty long and I don't believe any were two weeks, that is pretty short.

I dont know much about it, all i know is my friend was able to keep them for 2 weeks, he showed me the larvae with fins and eyes under a microscope, but he couldnt keep it for longer.
He had access for small plancton that was good for Groupers, but not good for angels.
Nothing to do with the size of the plancton, but to do with the type.

I thought you said people raise angels for food, like to eat.
As far as I know the only guy who is currently raising angels is the guy in taiwan, Asfur, Macolosus, sometimes Blue lines and sometimes emperors.

 

[tcmfish]

Correct, AFAIK most of those fish are for food, and are raised on a taiwainese aquaculture farm. Also, I was unaware anyone had raised any emperors. I have only heard of asfurs, macs, bluelines (all taiwan), and martin moe with french and grey hybrids.

 

[Chelsey]

Jordani, do you have any experience raising marine ornamentals? Even with an easier genus such as Amphiprion there is a lot more involved than just "access to the ocean for plankton and a 24" tall aquarium."

That being said, I vote for CB x flame hybrids