Coraline Growing on Turtle Grass???

rustybucket145

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I have recently added some Turtle Grass and Eel grass to my fuge. Within a week Coraline algae has begun to grow on the 'leaves' of the Turtle grass. I am curious to know if this is going to kill the grass? The grass seems to have taken hold and is looking very healthy. Has anyone ever experienced this?
 
Amy (TippyToeX) has had it happen on her plants and it did not end well for the individual effected blades. Hopefully she'll pop in.

This came up on another board a few months back: Coralline on Thalassia.

On the eel grass, you transplanted Zostera marina? I'd be really interested to hear how it fares over the next few weeks and months, if you dont mind keeping me updated. :)

>Sarah
 
Thanks Samala, You gave me a bunch of info a few months ago before I went to collect this stuff. per your advice I brought back a few bags of native mud and filled half of the bottom of my fuge with native mudd and just pushed the aragonite bottom over to the other half. The eel grass (not sure of sci-name) is doing very well with a few new sprouts coming up (both in the native soil and aragonite) the turtle grass has grown slightly and looks healthy (minus the coraline).

I only filled the tank with half native mudd so I would be able to do little experiments with the seagrasses and compare their growth rates.

I have yet to take some pics of it but I will try to get some this weekend. I also brought back a native hermit crab and an urchin. So I have a pretty nice little biotype going. The tank also has a mangrove, chaeto and some coral frags.

I also brought back a algae/grass that looked like mini-lilly pads attached to shells. The heads were about as big around as a pencil eraser but they all seem to have died or gotten eaten. I did catch the urchin on top of one of them one day, after he moved several 'heads' were missing. Do you have any idea what this could have been? Or where I could find any information on them? I tried to 'rescue' some of them to my main tank but my yellow Tang made quick work of them.
 
Mini lily pads attached to hard substrate.. sounds like mermaids wine glass.. Acetabularia sp. Especially given the small size you mention.

Definitely do keep us all up to date on the possible differences between the native mud and the aragonite sides. Very interesting idea. :)

Watch the urchin carefully. He may have eaten the Acetabularia (if thats what it was) and might move on to snacking on seagrass in the future.

>Sarah
 
You are right on target, Acetabularia. No doubt. He seems to be leaving the seagrass alone for the time being. But I was planning on rotating him inbetween my main tank, sump and refugium to keep the coraline algae under control. He mows right through the stuff. Hopefully he will stay away from the grass. He does munch on the chaeto from time to time but I have not seen him munch on the grass.

My turtle grass coraline growth looks very similar to that of the thread you linked to. However one difference I noted was the fact that my grass is curly, kinda like a large curly fry. Is this a different kind of grass or just due to growing conditions (It was curly when I harvested it).
 
I have coraline growing my Thallasia, and so far it doesnt appear to be detrimental. I'm assuming the leaves grow and as they are replaced they die off. The coraline didnt completely cover the blades just spots of it.

The algae you describe sounds like it might be mermaids cup ( Acetabularia ). I had some looks like this.

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Apparently it took me a long time to respond ( three posts) while I formulated my answer. :) Mine disappeared as mysteriously as it appeared. It only grew on some snails.
 
Acetabularia is a pretty ephemeral little beast. It comes and goes, most notably on snail shells actually. I think it might be a tastier macro, and this is one of the few spots they cant graze. I had it turn up on Astrae and chestnut turban shells. The lilly pad stage is the final stage of its growth. The cap is the reproductive spore storehouse (gametangia).

So, spores were probably let loose into your tank when the lily pads disappeared. If conditions were right, and we dont know what right is at this point.. or at least I dont, they may have settled elsewhere in the tank. You might find they pop back up in a few weeks to months.

I have had some contact with a researcher who uses Acetabularia for molecular biology projects.. I'm trying to get her to give me the secrets on how she maintains the colonies long enough for meaningful study, and how she keeps her lines of macro going. Hopefully that will yield useful info someday in the future. :)

David's pics are awesome.

When we say curly grass, do you mean they form spirals that are vertical? Or.. do the leaves simply arch out horizontally from the base? We might have to leave this one for the pics if you can get them up in a few days.

There is a species of vascular plant that does tolerate low to medium salinity regimes for short periods of time.. Vallisneria americana, or tape grass. A few forms of this will spiral, but I cant recall ever seeing them grow wild myself.

>Sarah
 
I like your setup. What is the purpose of the drop off? Is it for coral propagation? Also what is your lighting over this tank?
 
Yeah, the drop-off into gravel bed is for propagation and coral recovery. If you look close you should be able to see several of my 'babies'. I only have 2 Normal output Flourescents over the tank (one daylight, one actinic). BUT, the tank gets a TREMENDOUS amount of natural sunlight. My system is located in my sunroom and is surrounded on three sides by glass and the roof is greenhouse plastic.

This tank is fed/returned from my 30gal sump that is below my 90gal display with a Mag 7 pump.
 
Oooh. I like this setup!

I would say that is turtle grass, curly leaves or not. A few of mine were twisted like that in the beginning, probably just reaction to water currents or something in the original location. Looks like you have shoal grass, Halodule wrightii, next to it, judging from the width of the blades. Might be manatee grass, Syringodium filiforme, if those leaves are tubular, and hollow centers in cross section. Looks more like Halodule to me.

Overall looks like a cool setup. Seems that you are getting new leaf production out of the 'grasses, which is a good sign that they are getting enough light. Thanks for posting these pics!

>Sarah
 
ok, so turtle grass and shoal grass or manatee grass. I'll cut a leaf tonight and see if it has a hollow cross section. Any ideas or pointers that you could give me with this tank? Anything to look out for? Any way of knowing if my display tank is supplying enough nitrate and phosphate? Or other Nutrients?
 
Yes actually. The shoal grass, if it is, should throw up nice tall leaves and start to reproduce new plants by sending out runners into the adjacent sandbed. If it doesnt do that inside of a month, with the light you've got, I'd consider upping your feeding or feed the plants directly. Substrate tabs might help in that case.

Thalassia is easier to see if its gets enough nutrients and has settled well. Plants that are happy will consistently put up new leaves that will be tall, about the same length as the original leaves, and will be replaced on a fairly regular schedule. Leaf dieback is normal. Be concerned if the plants put up progressively shorter and smaller-width leaves. This indicates that the plants are not taking in nutrients, but are living off their stored energy reserves. They can last a very long time in this condition, waiting for the environment to improve. That's how I lost my Thalassia. (But my problem was most likely light.)

Another note: your grasses, once established, may outcompete the Chaetomorpha. Not necessarily a bad thing, but the growth rate for this macro should fall perceptibly as the seagrass takes hold and propagates.

Last thought: what is the current like through this fuge? Pretty high? High current will encourage tall leaf growth out of Halodule, low current and the plants go back to their more typical wild state of 4-6" leaves. It isnt detrimental to have high current though. :)

>Sarah
 
I would say the current is about 'medium'. Turnover is probably 500gph after head loss. All of the water enters the tank through the small bulkhead near the middle of the tank. I do have the ability to control the flow via T-valve if necessary. So you think I should leave it or lower it?
 
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