critic my QT plan

[Allmost]

Hello all,

so I just picked up a beautiful small blue line angel.

2 weeks ago, I decided I have all fish I want, so made my QT a display ... what a mistake lol

so need a QT fast for today, and here is my plan.

20G tank I have.
fill it up with tank water 75% and new water 25%
add a couple of SMALL pieces of LR from the display and some frag plugs.
a MJ1200.
a small heater, just in case, but my room temp is about 76-77.
an airstone.

good ? bad ?

5 G water change daily. .... 25%

I am planning to observe the fish for a week, if good, he goes to the tank, if not treat with hyposalinity, and wait a month

would u add anything else ?

hypo at 12 PPT right ?

any other pointers, Id love to know.

 

[snorvich]

Hello all,

so I just picked up a beautiful small blue line angel.

2 weeks ago, I decided I have all fish I want, so made my QT a display ... what a mistake lol

So it is not clear that your quarantie is without parasites

so need a QT fast for today, and here is my plan.

20G tank I have.
fill it up with tank water 75% and new water 25%

So if the existing tank has parasites . . .

add a couple of SMALL pieces of LR from the display and some frag plugs.
a MJ1200.
a small heater, just in case, but my room temp is about 76-77.
an airstone.

good ? bad ?

5 G water change daily. .... 25%

I am planning to observe the fish for a week, if good, he goes to the tank, if not treat with hyposalinity, and wait a month

A week is not meaningful. Try 4 weeks



would u add anything else ?

hypo at 12 PPT right ?

hypo at 1.008/1.009 has no effect on velvet or brook


any other pointers, Id love to know.

Well, you did say critique . . . so you should also treat with prazipro

 

[Allmost]

Thank you Steve funny cause I was hoping you would be around

yea the old QT I washed it with bleach, but ure point is valid .

about the new QT .... again good point about bringing parasites from main tank, but what other options do you think I have at this point ? instead of LR ...

I got Prazipro at home, so will add that as well, should I do that from tonight ? or wait a couple nights ? the fish isnt eating yet, but no signs of disease.
[there were 6 of them in the LFS, and one was in bad health ... so .Im gonna be carefull] for prazipro I think 5-7 days is enough ?

I guess I can observe the fish after prazipro, and if all good, wait 4 weeks and add it, if not, decide on what to do.

appreciate the reply

 

[snorvich]

Thank you Steve funny cause I was hoping you would be around

yea the old QT I washed it with bleach, but ure point is valid .

about the new QT .... again good point about bringing parasites from main tank, but what other options do you think I have at this point ? instead of LR ...

I got Prazipro at home, so will add that as well, should I do that from tonight ? or wait a couple nights ? the fish isnt eating yet, but no signs of disease.
[there were 6 of them in the LFS, and one was in bad health ... so .Im gonna be carefull] for prazipro I think 5-7 days is enough ?

I guess I can observe the fish after prazipro, and if all good, wait 4 weeks and add it, if not, decide on what to do.

appreciate the reply

The issue is your embedded base of fish. Unless you have a rigorous protocol (see my blog for what I suggest) for establishing your embedded base of fish, then your existing fish cannot be guaranteed to be parasite free. Your quarantine procedure for your existing fish is not tight enough to guarantee that so sharing water with that system (never share water) is not a good idea. Fish that are acquired from a vendor who runs a low level of copper in their system may be masking velvet, hence the four weeks of observation. Ich is the least serious of the possible parasites (although not trivial either).

 

[Allmost]

not sure if I am understanding your post ...

I have no QT running,

and I have a new fish.

how to QT it at this point is the question lol what is your suggestion ?

are u saying dont use biological filter ? and just use new water ?

even if we go by your assumption that my display tank is full of diseases ... I am treating the QT tank, arent I ? or are you saying once I treat new fish and put it in main tank, it might still get disease ? [which is possible, I have QT all fish to best of my knowledge and still see white spots from time to time on my anchiles tang] even if so, I think QTing it is still important ... to not introduce any NEW diseases that dont exist in the main system.

the fish was never treated with copper, and I am planning to QT it for a month which is 4 weeks ..... mistake on first post.

so if u can give me your opinion on what u would do if u were me, I would appreciate it ...

 

[snorvich]

not sure if I am understanding your post ...

I have no QT running,

and I have a new fish.

how to QT it at this point is the question lol what is your suggestion ?

are u saying dont use biological filter ? and just use new water ?

even if we go by your assumption that my display tank is full of diseases ... I am treating the QT tank, arent I ? or are you saying once I treat new fish and put it in main tank, it might still get disease ? [which is possible, I have QT all fish to best of my knowledge and still see white spots from time to time on my anchiles tang]

the fish was never treated with copper, and I am planning to QT it for a month which is 4 weeks ..... mistake on first post.

so if u can give me your opinion on what u would do if u were me, I would appreciate it ...

Well, I would use the protocol in my blog which is tank transfer (12 days) to insure no ich followed by 4 weeks of observation to insure no velvet, you will be fine.

How do you know that the fish was acquired from a system with no copper in it? Many vendors run a low level of copper even though they are not treating the fish.

You asked for a critique and I gave you one. Now I admit I am very rigorous about this but anything less puts you at risk. Perhaps reading my blog would give you ideas?

 

[snorvich]

Observing a fish for ich is not going to be totally effective as ich does not have visible symptoms all the time. After you have eliminated any possibility of ich using tank transfer then observing for four weeks will preclude velvet.

 

[Allmost]

ok thanks Steve, of course I have read ure blogs

I was always under the impression that I should treat fish with issues(disease). I think you are saying start with the tank transfer method anyways ? [guess it wont be that much stress on the fish]

ok so I can get another 20G, fresh mixed water in both, and use amquel for ammonia, for 12 days. follow ure blog post for transfer ... should I wash the tank with bleach ?

meanwhile cycle another 3rd QT tank.

at day 13, put fish in the 3rd and final QT and treat with prazipro ?

then a month later, if all good, then he goes in ?

the LFS is my close friend, so I am sure it was not treated here, before getting here, no Idea

Edit : thanks for ure other reply makes it more clear, thanks

 

[snorvich]

ok thanks Steve, of course I have read ure blogs

I was always under the impression that I should treat fish with issues(disease). I think you are saying start with the tank transfer method anyways ? [guess it wont be that much stress on the fish]

No real stress moving the fish, use tupperware and drain the water

ok so I can get another 20G, fresh mixed water in both, and use amquel for ammonia, for 12 days. follow ure blog post for transfer ... should I wash the tank with bleach ?

I do with tap water plus bleach, then ro water rinse, then dry it.

meanwhile cycle another 3rd QT tank.

Yes.

at day 13, put fish in the 3rd and final QT and treat with prazipro ?

Exactly.

then a month later, if all good, then he goes in ?

yes

the LFS is my close friend, so I am sure it was not treated here, before getting here, no Idea

Well some LFS have a non therapeutic dose of copper in their fish system. They are not treating necessarily.

Edit : thanks for ure other reply makes it more clear, thanks

 

[snorvich]

Remember tank transfer involves little work, no chemicals, is of relatively short duration, and is effective. It eliminates the possibility of ich. Hypo is difficult, has no effect on velvet and takes longer. Copper is not good for fish but would be indicated if velvet presents itself.

 

[Allmost]

Thank you again

Should I do any water changes during each of the 3 days of tank transfer ? Or just use ammo lock ?

 

[snorvich]

Thank you again

Should I do any water changes during each of the 3 days of tank transfer ? Or just use ammo lock ?

No, prime or other ammonia control works fine.

 

[Allmost]

thanks again for all your help.

so far so good, transfered him this morning to second tank.

here is a pic

about feeding, when should I start trying ? I tried some nori last night, no interest so I didnt push him ... want him to settle for now .. should I try feeding him again after the tank transfer ? ever got a fish eating while transfering from tank to tank ?

 

[snorvich]

Gorgeous fish. I would try small amounts of various foods: nutramar ova, reef caviar (capelin fish roe), PE mysis. No reason not to feed since ammonia will be taken care of. I would siphon off uneaten food but try feeding multiple times per day.

 

[Allmost]

Steve, thanks for all your help, but I have to say that although tank transfer method is good for getting rid of ich, I should have stuck to my gut feeling, and observed the fish for a week before doing this to give it more chance to settle in.

it is very stressfull for a NEW arrival to go through tank transfer, before settling in.

I would add a week of settling in /observation before doing this for new arrival, I can tell you my fish is very stressed, and not eating still ... I stopped tha tank transfer and have him in a cycled QT now, sponge in my main reef for a week. if it shows sign of ick, I will treat it with tank transfer, bt not if it doesnt.

I will still treat it with prazipro next week though.

just thought Id update my findings on it.

 

[Allmost]

boy am I glad I didnt put this guy in my display reef yet lol

so after giving him a week of break, and getting him to eat, I started over with tank transfer, then prazipro.

laast night I noticed fin rot !

so started treating with Furan2 as well. is that my best bet ? is 1 treatment enough ? I have lost fish using this product before, but I may have overdosed, so hoping for the best.


thanks