Cycle Question?
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ShannHell
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It has in mine ( I have moved my tanks 3 times now) but it was not "fullscale." Some of my hard corals would lose a little bit of color for a couple of months but would perk back up shortly. This last time I added Stresszyme and Microbe-lift right after the move and my SPS barely lost any color and we didn't have any casualties, and we didn't get any large scale algae or diatom blooms.
Pufferpunk
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Stresszyme and Microbe-lift don't do anything but add dead bacteria or the wrong types of bacteria to your tank. I wouldn't touch anything that promises less work, by adding their product to your tank & promises less water changes or tank cleaning
Bio-Spira is the only product containing live bacteria. You should get if from a repuatable dealer that can assure it has been kept refrigerated frum the making process, all the way to their shop.
Bio-Spira is the only product containing live bacteria. You should get if from a repuatable dealer that can assure it has been kept refrigerated frum the making process, all the way to their shop.
Pufferpunk
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Was it refrigerated? Like I said, be wary of products offering "less tank maintanance". A lot of products get away w/calling it live, cause it was, when it was placed in the bottle. Dead within 24 hrs though.
ShannHell
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No, its not refrigerated. When I spoke with the guy he got into a little more depth than I expected, and even though I am going to school for microbiology, alot of it was a bit over my head. Basically, what I got out of it was that they set up an entire little microbial ecosystem in the bottle of live bacteria. It doesn't need to be refrigerated but the bacteria will die after a shelf life of 2 years (I think, if I remember correctly). And the bottle smells pretty wicked when its open. That's not really anything related to this, but I just thought I would warn anyone who is thinking about getting it. I was caught off guard
Pufferpunk
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Nitrifying bacteria needs ammonia to live or will start dying within 24 hous & be gone within 48. Keeping it refrigerated, will suspend them so they don't need to eat. What you're smelling is death--definately related. NIMFT!
http://www.marineland.com/science/nspira.asp
http://www.marineland.com/science/nspira.asp
ShannHell
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Oh, and when I was talking to the rep guy he also said that they were investigating the stuff he gave me (called Microbe-lift Special Blend) as a possible coral food (which is why he gave me some to try--we were at the frag swap and saw that I had coral and was told that I was going to school for microbiology) I don't know anything about that though. And it's not death because right on the box it says that there is hydrogen sulfide smell associated with the bottle and that is normal. What does NIMFT mean?
Pufferpunk
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Not in my fish tank. Also, many companies state they have nitrifying bacteria in their product, which they may have but not the right ones. Tricky stuff!
Check out that link I gave you. Explains a lot.
Check out that link I gave you. Explains a lot.
glassbox-design
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not sure where you're getting that from....
-does not need to be in the fridge (most anyways...)
-there are many products that do add live bacteria
-spira happens to be the most expensive one.
cycle, stress zyme, prodibio, zeo, ultra.....there are many
they will help by reducing the extra ammonia from the stress of the move.
-does not need to be in the fridge (most anyways...)
-there are many products that do add live bacteria
-spira happens to be the most expensive one.
cycle, stress zyme, prodibio, zeo, ultra.....there are many
they will help by reducing the extra ammonia from the stress of the move.
Pufferpunk
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All wrong. No live bacteria in any of them. Can't be, if not refrigerated. Commercially available preparations of nitrifying bacteria, even those with Nitrosomonas europaea and Nitrobacter winogradskyi, do not accelerate nitrification in aquaria. Nitrosospira and Nitrospira (and not Nitrosomonas and Nitrobacter) are the active nitrifying bacteria in fluidized bed reactors.
glassbox-design
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just like there was no bacteria on the stains done on zeo here on RC, right? :lol: do some more reading, preferably not literature from the company selling a product... it's very possible and is done.
happy reefing.
eric
happy reefing.
eric
Pufferpunk
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This is not just lit from the manufacturer. We have a research scientist at my puffer forum & he backs this up.
glassbox-design
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i am not looking to argue, but to say if it's not refridgerated it's not "alive" is just not true. they can be packaged without the need to be in the fridge...once opened it's a different story. hence the reason prodibio and ultra use vials...
if you dont want to believe that, take it to a lab.
if you dont want to believe that, take it to a lab.
Pufferpunk
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I'm not here to argue either--just a discussion. 
Orodibio and ultra are not cheap by any means. There should be no reason to continue adding bacteria to a cycled, established system.
Orodibio and ultra are not cheap by any means. There should be no reason to continue adding bacteria to a cycled, established system.
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glassbox-design
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just like there should be no reason to use La and GFO to remove/bind phosphate. these bacs reduce nutrients and feed corals by living in the water column... quite different than your typical sand bed or LR colonized areas....but lets not go down that road.
the vials of bac, or zeobak is actually quite inexpensive for what it is and can be a good "tuner" for events like moving a set up ime.
the vials of bac, or zeobak is actually quite inexpensive for what it is and can be a good "tuner" for events like moving a set up ime.
Pufferpunk
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But don't most folks use that product weekly?
