Dedicated Seahorse Tank or Fish Tank???

Bemmer

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Well, I have been working on this tank for quite sometime with the intention of making it a seahorse tank. It is a 40g tall with a chiller and dedicated sump and skimmer. (Used to be plumbed to my larger main tank) Now, I like the looks of it so much with the smaller fish, I am thinking of keeping it like this. Currently, I have a flasher wrasse, two purple firefish and two Yashia gobies in the tank. I was even thinking of a Catalina goby since it needs cooler water. I plan to keep the tank at 77 degrees.

I would like your opinion on whether or not I should remove the wrasse and continue with my plans to make it a seahorse tank. If you think I should go the fish route, what other small fish should I consider if I were to add one more fish?

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Thanks for your input.
 
Flasher wraises are very non-aggresive fish and should/may be OK with seahorses. I personally havn't kept them.

Stay away from Catalina gobies. They are a cold water fish and would need to be kept in the 60s.

Personally I think horses would be fine in this tank. Its up to you.

Fred
 
Thanks for your comments, Fred. I was under the impression that the flasher wrasse would compete with the seahorse for the food. Not really an issue???
 
There are people keeping flashers and seahorses for years without issue. I believe Ponie-gal keeps them IIRC, but I've taken some cough medicine tonight so don't quote me on that, I may be wrong.

They'd be fine with the yashsa and pistol for sure IME, although if the pistol is to small it could be food if the opprotunity arises.

I'd lower the temp a few more clicks to 74F since you already have the chiller.

If your adding horses I'd also add some hitches to help keep them off those beautiful gorgs (they are quite nice). JMO

You'll need to pull that frogspawn as it will sting horses unless that is a really cool ric, hard to tell from the pic.

Good Luck if you go with horses.

If your going with fish might I suggest,

a couple more purple firefish will bring out that one's personality
tail spot blennies are great
pink spotted watchman gobies are quite stunning when they come out
Leapord wrasses are great if you have a sandbed and a refugum. I like the geoffrey species or the Poter's Leapord personally
Lawn mower blennies are good for hair algae clean up
I'd put a Kole Tang in a 40g but must recommend against
Bi-Color Angels are pretty but not always reef compatible
Royal Gramma Basslets are pretty and fairly hardy
Clowns are cool especially if you like people to say look there's a Nemo
Black and Yellow Blennies are nice
Rainford gobies are cool looking and a nice tempermate

That's just my wish list, many of which are also seahorse compatible, but not all.

HTH
 
Note that pistol shrimp like a little deeper sandbed to burrow in: a good 4".

Of pledosophy's list, clowns and blennies are on the questionable list. Don't know about the wrasses.

Fred
 
what are those fan looking corals? They look amazing and exactly like what I want to get for my reef/horse tank. Softies?
 
They are gorgonians. If you get some, stick with photosynthetic gorgonians. The non photosynthetic ones are very colourful, but are almost impossible to keep alive.

Fred
 
I would go for seahorses, except maybe consider lowering the temp to 75 degrees, seahorses have fewer health problems (parasites, bacterial infections...) at lower temperatures.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9381728#post9381728 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fredfish
Of pledosophy's list, clowns and blennies are on the questionable list. Don't know about the wrasses.

Fred

Your gotta Read the entire post Fred :p :p :D ;)

That list is if he was going with fish only and not seahorses.

The only seahorse safe ones on the list are the:
tail spot blennie
black and yellow blenny
pink spotted watchman goby
Royal Gramma Basslet
Rainford goby.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9385212#post9385212 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by whatnot45
I would go for seahorses, except maybe consider lowering the temp to 75 degrees, seahorses have fewer health problems (parasites, bacterial infections...) at lower temperatures.

Why recommend 75F when the research behind the reasoning for the lower temps is specific to 74F?
 
Seriously, were are you guys coming up with the 74-75F temps. From what I have read, I can keep seahorses at temps between 75-77F and they will be fine. Do I really have to go down to 74-75F?
 
It is from personal experience of a wide range of seahorse keepers.

For whatever reason, tropical horses that do quite well at higher temperatures in their natural environment, don't fare so well at the same temps in aquariums.

While the collective info shows that there is a definite risk when keeping tropical seahorses at higher temperatures, it is not scientific research with controlled experiments and lots of replicates.

Fred
 
All I know is that last summer/ spring I had 4 previously very healthy seahorses die of a vibrio infection when my tank got up to 77 degrees.
Now i have a chiller and I keep my tank at 73
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9395512#post9395512 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Bemmer
Seriously, were are you guys coming up with the 74-75F temps. From what I have read, I can keep seahorses at temps between 75-77F and they will be fine. Do I really have to go down to 74-75F?


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9395654#post9395654 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fredfish
It is from personal experience of a wide range of seahorse keepers.

It is also well documented scientifically. :D Many pathologists, microbiologoists and marine biologists conduct studies on the growth rate of particular strains of bacteria in regards to temperature as well as salinity and pH.

There is a pathologist Dr. Belli who is also a seahorse enthusiast who has spent years performing necropsies on a number of seahorses (the published notes were of 40 hobbyist horses, but the number of necropsies in his data is much higher now) and documenting the strains of bacteria that are most common to affect them. His preliminary notes were published in a book called "Working Notes", although day to day updates on his work are available with a paid membership to another site. He was the featured seahorse speaker at IMAC a couple years ago.

After cataloging the species of vibrio most common to affect seahorses Dr.Belli grew cultures of the different strains under different temperatures and found that the bacterias most common to cause illness to seahorses grow significantly slower and are much less aggresive at temperatures lower then 74F.

While the data in direct relation to seahorses is not published in any scientfic journal I know of, there are several publications that are bacteria strain specific to back up these findings with authors who are pathologists, microbiologists, and marine biologists. Since the data exsists, is published, and not disputed that these bacteria's grow at exponential rates and are far more virtulent even altering there make up and the proteins they release at higher temperatures, it is not a stretch IMO to then deduce, the same bacteria would not preform differently in there affects on seahorses that then they do with every other species they have ever been studied with. JMO.

While the collective info shows that there is a definite risk when keeping tropical seahorses at higher temperatures, it is not scientific research with controlled experiments and lots of replicates.

True, and it probably never will be. Seahorses aren't a food fish so the money is just not there to fund the research. The money to research seahorses is wisely being spent else where to save them and not being spent to kill them, there is no purpose there IMO. However we do know how the bacteria behave at varying temperatures, pH, and salinity from scientific research, and how the bacteria affects other organisms (including much research on the affects of vibrio on bi valves, tuna, shrimp, copepods, and humans). This information has been published thousands (perhaps hundreds of thousands is more appropriate) of times in numerous scientific journals.

HTH
 
That's a nice tank! I think it would be fairly safe to try sh's with the fairy wrasse. Although I have not tried them with sh's, in my reef tank they only show aggression towards other fairy wrasses and ignore other species.

I like a tank with some movement so in my sh tank I have neon gobies, a shrimp goby, firefish, scissortail gobies, pearly jawfish, and a scooter blenny. I haven't had any issues with not being able to get food to the horses.

You might consider adding some nice macro's as the horses would enjoy that.

I keep a mixed species tank at 73 degree's. I've had no problems so I wouldn' be willing to experiment with higher temps just to see if it really causes problems.

Here's a couple pics to help you decided if you like the look of the macro's/fish/seahorses...

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HTH
 
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