Any body in Tucson or Sierra Vista using one? It seems to be the perfect footprint for my Sump and should be great for the 125 total gal. SPS load. Am using Euro-Reef now on the 54, its ok for the normal load, but didn't keep up with an accident a few months back. I am trying to set this tank up with the best tech. to date, without getting into some of the name brand hype. One thing I will stay with is a lower flow sump (5X) and higher flow (Tunze 6000) powerheads. I have some Tunze 2002's for now, but plan on adding/changing to 6000 Streams later. I started in this hobby with the old "Marble Tanks" (wrought iron frame painted black and white to resemble marble). We had to paint them with a rubber/tar paint for saltwater. Our first air pumps were piston, vibrators were'nt invented till much later. Now we have computers everywhere, light, flow control, pH control and on and on. Keeps you broke, but fun.
Deltec APF-600
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Bullet
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Hi John. I am Eds (Roll221) brother. I think you cannot go wrong with a Deltec skimmer. I bit the bullet and bought an 851 earlier in the year. I had a Euroreef and then a MRC and neither of them work like a Deltec. They perform just like they say and they are basically plug and play. You just have to keep them clean. The only thing wrong with them is that they are so expensive. I cannot believe they cost so much but they really do work. If I would have just bought one in the beginning I would be so much further ahead!
Bullet
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ohhh a couple of other thoughts. You may want to hang out on the Deltec forum to see if you can snag a used one. There is a lot of information on there about them. Also, the reason I went with the 851 was to get the Eiheim pump. I don't know if there is that big of a difference but I think I read something somewhere that the Ehiems were better.
Thats my thoughts, want to set this up right, getting too old to do another upgrade. Ed's turned into a hurricane magnet. Went to the Yuccatan when you were planning that trip, now Maui, at least he came through it ok. Miss him here, things are quite since he left. At least he's having fun diving most everyday. He said just on weekends. Nice having a big, very big reef that he doesn't have to do water changes on. Take care, John
cerreta
Premium Member
John, the H&S has a comparable model, the A150-2001. It has a larger footprint, but larger body at 6" and smaller price tag at $650. They have a better build quality and cost more in Germany but less here in the US, because they did not invest in marketing like Deltec USA. Both skimmers are made in Germany.
BTW, if yo uare using it in sump, they also make an Insump model, 150-2001 at $600 7x14 footprint and only 20" tall.
Here is a linky
http://www.finsreef.com/product.php?productid=16142&cat=254&page=1
If you read up on the H&S, you will find that they have a better build quality and reputation than Deltec. I must admit, that I was disappointed when I saw the Deltec AP701 with its extruded acrylic body and acrylic glue to seal the joints. Not to mention that the glue joints were bubbly and uneven. All extra money should give you the same quality as ER and H&S, which both use cell cast acrylic and hot-weld joints. But, they invested the extra dough in marketing instead.
BTW, if yo uare using it in sump, they also make an Insump model, 150-2001 at $600 7x14 footprint and only 20" tall.
Here is a linky
http://www.finsreef.com/product.php?productid=16142&cat=254&page=1
If you read up on the H&S, you will find that they have a better build quality and reputation than Deltec. I must admit, that I was disappointed when I saw the Deltec AP701 with its extruded acrylic body and acrylic glue to seal the joints. Not to mention that the glue joints were bubbly and uneven. All extra money should give you the same quality as ER and H&S, which both use cell cast acrylic and hot-weld joints. But, they invested the extra dough in marketing instead.
Bullet
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I have to agree about the first time I saw one. I thought why in the world are these so expensive? They looked cheap. Then I had a few beers and made some promises with the devil at IMAC last year and bought one. I was leery buying one because I could not find anyone not liking their Deltec. All the other brands there were numerous people that disliked or had problems with them. I started thinking that anyone paying so much for a Deltec HAD to like it and it would make them look stupid if someone found out how much they spent on it and then they did not like it. But I can still say....they are an excellent skimmer and it works great for me but I also still think they are overpriced. I have no experience with the H&S but have read a lot of good things about them.
cerreta
Premium Member
Well, I joined the club. I bought the AP701. I will put it through a heads up test with the ER RC180. We shall see if it kicks butt or not. But, I can agree that the craftsmanship does not meet ER standards. I also think that it probably performed better than the RC180 before it came with the same Eheim 1260.
lovelylinda
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Katherine, run home! He's taking out a 2nd mortgage!
Pyrrhus
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Scott, did you see Doug's last post in the "pictures are worth a thousand words" thread in the deltec forum? I think he answered most of the questions that you had.
I also realized that I neglected to put the instructions for your skimmer in the box. If you PM me your address I will get them mailed to you ASAP.
I also realized that I neglected to put the instructions for your skimmer in the box. If you PM me your address I will get them mailed to you ASAP.
Fliger
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Owsi - philwd has one and I know it works for him very well. It looks like a really good skimmer, I've seen two running and they seem to work really well. Phil's looked better - probably because he gravity feeds it.
Hey Scott - I tracked you down over here checking for a 701 update.
I'd love to swing by, I'll be in Tucson a couple times this winter. I almost bought one but opted for a custom H&S that looks almost exactly like the 701. At the time ATR wasn't selling Deltec otherwise I might have gone that route.
As far as acrylic - check out intothesky's post regarding acrylic work in Europe. This was also told to me by another importer that shouldn't be biased - but who knows. Doug's probably right, unless you drop it - what does it it matter.
http://www.zeovit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6883&highlight=extruded
Hey Scott - I tracked you down over here checking for a 701 update.
I'd love to swing by, I'll be in Tucson a couple times this winter. I almost bought one but opted for a custom H&S that looks almost exactly like the 701. At the time ATR wasn't selling Deltec otherwise I might have gone that route.As far as acrylic - check out intothesky's post regarding acrylic work in Europe. This was also told to me by another importer that shouldn't be biased - but who knows. Doug's probably right, unless you drop it - what does it it matter.
http://www.zeovit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6883&highlight=extruded
cerreta
Premium Member
Yeah sure, you can stop by anytime and check out the reef. We can go to Bangkok Cafe if you are game. It is the best Thai food place that I know of here in Tucson. Do you know of it?
It matters in terms of quality of materials and value. If they use less expensive materials and charge more money, then where does all that money go? This is important for terms of determining which skimmer is a better value. Even the Octopus skimmers have the thicker cast acrylic with crystal clear body. They look really nice, and appear to have an exceptional value, but have not tested one. The insump models with 8" body go for about $250! Insane.
BTW, no update on the skimmers. I have been preparing for El Tour!
I will be making progress this weekend.
It matters in terms of quality of materials and value. If they use less expensive materials and charge more money, then where does all that money go? This is important for terms of determining which skimmer is a better value. Even the Octopus skimmers have the thicker cast acrylic with crystal clear body. They look really nice, and appear to have an exceptional value, but have not tested one. The insump models with 8" body go for about $250! Insane.
BTW, no update on the skimmers. I have been preparing for El Tour!
I will be making progress this weekend.
Fliger
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It goes into the $550 Eheims. :lol: You'll find no arguement here, I love Deltecs also but I can never get over that cheap ABS they use for the base plate, collection cup and worst of all the flange. Thats the ONLY place you really want acrylic. H&S, ER, BK, Octopus - everyone uses acrylic on the flange. That was really the main reason I went H&S, the clear neck. It cost me $150 more than the 701. But on the Aquabee models its not much of a factor IIRC. The difference is $649 vs $800+. However H&S are kinda hard to get in according to a couple threads I read. They're not really mass producers.
I'll look for your thread after I get back from the holiday.
I'll look for your thread after I get back from the holiday.
skydancer
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Thanks for the link owsi,
man I'm confused... I have a 300 gal mixed reef with what I would call a waaaaay under spec'ed custom beckett skimmer that just broke. (the acrylic down tube broke) I'm looking for a new skimmer and looking at the DELTEC AP702. From what I'm reading this is the machine to get but... $1700 bucks!!! Why so much. Is it that much better than the $500 units. I don't get it. Of-course I have never experienced excellent skimming performance, always have had hi nitrates and phosphates (higher than usual) and have invested in RowaPHOS and Dinitrifier reactors... trying to fix the problem... Do you think that the skimmer may have been the problem all along? Is the darn Deltec thing worth the money? Do you think that it may be the solution to my always hi nitrate and phosphate problems? I love to feed my fish...
Thank you in advance for your opinions...
man I'm confused... I have a 300 gal mixed reef with what I would call a waaaaay under spec'ed custom beckett skimmer that just broke. (the acrylic down tube broke) I'm looking for a new skimmer and looking at the DELTEC AP702. From what I'm reading this is the machine to get but... $1700 bucks!!! Why so much. Is it that much better than the $500 units. I don't get it. Of-course I have never experienced excellent skimming performance, always have had hi nitrates and phosphates (higher than usual) and have invested in RowaPHOS and Dinitrifier reactors... trying to fix the problem... Do you think that the skimmer may have been the problem all along? Is the darn Deltec thing worth the money? Do you think that it may be the solution to my always hi nitrate and phosphate problems? I love to feed my fish...
Thank you in advance for your opinions...
