Deltect Vodka NFP509 Nitrate Reactor?

LPSpsCloWn

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Hi everyone I needed some advice please on nitrate reduction. My tank is 300L including a sump. I have a clownfish and 2 tangs. Nothing else. My nitrate are in the 50 and I cant cut back feeding any more. So I need nutrient export. A list of things I have tried. 1) vodka dosing by adding this to the tank, after 4-5 months of adding vodka and slowly upping the dosage, nothing, nitrates did not move. As i began to up the dosage, i noticed my two tangs behaving very strange, like they were itching and they would get much worse with time. So i stopped the vodka dosing and they got better after a week. 2) decided to dose vinegar, same thing happened as above, my purple and yellow tang would dart about the tank after a few months of dosing like they were trying to ich themselves. After stopping vinegar dosing they got better. This did nothing for my nitrates. 3) I decided to buy a LR1 algae reactor with cheato, nop nothing and was the most useless thing every i bought. 4) Then i tried a dedicated reactor with seachem denitrate in there with flow less than the recommend 200Lph. nothing no nitrate movement. 5) I have a hang on Deltec MCE600 skimmer and thought let me buy a new pump that might fix things. Nop nothing. 6) removed all the sand and added new sand and made this between 2-3 inches. Again nothing helped with nitrates. 7) Tried 5L of sera seporax in a basket in the sump and nothing after a year. 8) I tried a deep sand bed and again nothing( the flow was not correct over it so hence why it did no work) I am very close to closing the tank down.https://www.reefcentral.com/forums/images/smilies/deadhorse.gif I was thinking of trying a Deltec NFP509 nitrate reactor with vodka. Has anybody tried this. I think the vodka/vinegar was doing something to the fish or the bacteria that it was promoting was doing something. The fish would instantly recover aster stopping dosing for a week. So it was definitely something to do with it if not directly then indirectly. I also think it could be because my skimmer is under powered but deltec told me it is fine for the size of my tank. Who knows. When i was vodka dosing I would hardly collect any muck in the cup, it was just regular like before. Like once every 3-4 days. My idea is that Reactor would allow me to isolate the vodka from the main tank so hoping the fish would be protected from whatever reaction they were having. Am i going crazy or this worth a shot? also, deltec say I need a Peri Pump and it comes with one, but from looking at the diagram it seems i might need 3. One for feeding the vodka and one for feeding the system with tank water and one for removing water from reactor to the tank. Is this correct? it just sounds like a lot of peri peri pumps to buy, this will bankrupt me. Could I use my GHL Doser 2.1 instead of the 3 peri pumps? ( have read Dosers are not slow enough or accurate enough as Peri pumps for using with nitrate reactors) would it be worth me buying a larger Nitrate reactor, just encase i move to a bigger tank in the future? any help would be appreciated as I feel like this https://www.reefcentral.com/forums/images/smilies/headwally.gif Thanks all
 
What problem are you having because of that nitrate level?
In a fish only tank that level is not an issue at all..

How much rock is in the tank?

Carbon dosing rarely doesnt work well...Something else may be missing/going on if its not... I wouldnt throw more money at it..
Need more details about the system including age
 
What problem are you having because of that nitrate level?
In a fish only tank that level is not an issue at all..

How much rock is in the tank?

Carbon dosing rarely doesnt work well...Something else may be missing/going on if its not... I wouldnt throw more money at it..
Need more details about the system including age

Hi tank is 8 years old, i broke it down 1 year ago and replaced the sand
It was never fish only but i only had 1 leather mushroom in there and nothing else.
Now i have a quarantine tank upstairs full of corals that i need to bring downstairs but cant because of the high nitrates. I Tried many things to get the nitrates down and really though vinegar and vodka dosing would work but they did not and everything else i tried has not worked.

I have about 25KG of live rock in the tank, I dont have any more space for live rock.


sorry for the lack of line breaks in the opening thread, it wont let me edit it and has gone into HTML editor mode where i must manually insert line breaks. This website has gone crazy.

Thanks
 
How much vinegar/vodka were you dosing daily?
How much are you feeding your fish/how often?
Have you measured your phosphate level?
 
How much vinegar/vodka were you dosing daily?
How much are you feeding your fish/how often?
Have you measured your phosphate level?

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I have not tested for phosphate recently but i run rowaphos in a D&D fluidized reactor. I run about 300ml which last for 2 weeks before algae starts to grow like mad on the screen and i replace it with another 300ml.<br/>
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I have to be honest the first 6 years i was not really replacing rowaphos very regularly maybe one small bag every 2-3 weeks in the sump. <br/>
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Now i run through rowaphos like there is no tomorrow. <br/>
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When i was vodka dosing i would use any rowaphos. I started both vodka and vinegar with recommended dosage and just continued upping it. I did however decide to dose much slower and extended the time frame from 2months to 6 months. I did not want to rush either was really scared of a system crash. I cant remember what dosages they were but i was at a point where i was over the recommended dosage for my tank. I think the fish could not tolerate it. <br/>
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I would think it could be i did not have the right bacterial in my system. Just not sure. <br/>
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I cut back feeding from 2 times a day to just once and then i even cut back the amount i feed to the fish. I cut back food so much that the fish were loosing colour and looking unhealthy. So i had to increase the amount of food for the fish but still only feeding once a day. <br/>
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I am really lost to be honest, I have tried everything I can think of. <br/>
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was thinking of just trying vodka/vinegar dosing again but i am worried it will be another 6 months wasted. I dont want to wait that long, worried the fish will act strange again. The Deltec reactor is my last hope really. <br/>
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Thanks
 
Nutrient (nitrate specifically) reduction process can become phosphate limited..
If you are running "rowaphos like there is no tomorrow" and not even measuring for it I'm concerned that you are overdoing it and thus causing the process to fail.
Phosphate is actually a BENEFICIAL nutrient needed by all marine life.. Yes too much can be an issue but so can too little..
If you have stripped your water of phosphate then the carbon dosing process will not work well..

I suggest you start measuring phosphates.. I don't recommend anyone just blindly running rowa/gfo anyways..

If simple carbon dosing is not working then I have zero faith in any "fancy" reactor that accomplishes the same task doing any better..


And maybe I missed it but what are you doing for water changes?
On a tank your size a few decent water changes could drop your nitrate levels and "reset" everything..
It seems like you have too many "gadgets" on your tank and just need to go back to the basics..
 
Nutrient (nitrate specifically) reduction process can become phosphate limited..
If you are running "rowaphos like there is no tomorrow" and not even measuring for it I'm concerned that you are overdoing it and thus causing the process to fail.
Phosphate is actually a BENEFICIAL nutrient needed by all marine life.. Yes too much can be an issue but so can too little..
If you have stripped your water of phosphate then the carbon dosing process will not work well..

I suggest you start measuring phosphates.. I don't recommend anyone just blindly running rowa/gfo anyway..

If simple carbon dosing is not working then I have zero faith in any "fancy" reactor that accomplishes the same task doing any better..


And maybe I missed it but what are you doing for water changes?
On a tank your size a few decent water changes could drop your nitrate levels and "reset" everything..
It seems like you have too many "gadgets" on your tank and just need to go back to the basics..

Sorry, i just read back through what i wrote and i was meant to say that. When dosing vodka and vinegar, i was not running any GFO or any form of phosphate removal.

The problem is that i have dont large water changes and 2 weeks later i get the same issue nitrates in the 50ppm. I really think my tank is too small and too not enough rock for the tangs even though they are not large tangs, medium size at best.

I am thinking of trying the vodka dosing again but this time buy a larger skimmer not a hang on one.

But the problem is that i can only afford 1 of two things

1) vodka dosing and buy a new larger skimmer something that sits in the sump.

or

2) buy a deltec nitrate reactor and try limiting the vodka dosing to that.

I cant afford to buy a new nitrate reactor and protein skimmer. I dont want to throw any more money at this tank to be honest. I would rather close it down and save the moneyfor a bigger tank. The deltect skimer and reactor will cost me £1000 would rather save that for a new tank.

I am confused because i did everything as recommended in the carbon dosing instructions to the T. But something is not working for me.

Thank you for all the help regardless. I appreciate your feedback.
 
I mean to say, i have done large water changes and 2 weeks later its back to 50ppm. I cant afford to keep buying salt buckets like this. For a while i would do 20-40% water changes weekly and i was eating through salt really fast. So that is not a long term solution.

Thanks
 
I would spend money on a skimmer over the nitrate reactor any day...
You can pick up a great skimmer for far less than 300..
Id go crazy with a turkey baster in those rocks to try to push out as much "gunk" as you can..

What else is in the sump? Filter pads? Bioballs? Filter socks?
 
You must have a really good skimmer if you are dosing carbon source. This cause an overgrowth/explosion of bacterial which are remove by the skimmer. Can't use Vodka or Vinegar unless you have a huge skimmer capacity.
I suggest you do weekly 25% water change until you get it down. Get a good skimmer. If you have a great skimmer, you should not have problem with keeping the nitrate down or drive it down with carbon dosing.

You have a bacterial bloom that was not remove, that is why your fish got stressed and sicken.
 
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