Derasa question

sneeyatch

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Hi all -

I recently picked up a 3" ORA derasa about a week and a half ago. It was in the LFS for 2 months and looks gorgeous. For about the first week, it was open great - no issues. For the past few days, it's been mostly closed (open maybe about 1/2", but has opened slightly more to maybe around 3/4"). Color is good, mantle won't extend that much, but it's intake and output is slam closed up looking.

When I introduced it, I inspected for pyrams and any other pests, saw none and felt comfortable adding it to the system.

My system parameters:

150 gallon deep dimension cube - soft coral dominant system with just a few SPS frags. Corals are predominantly zoanthids, photosynthetic gorgonians and leathers.

Lighting is a single 250 watt SE Ushio 14k halide on a pulse start ballast

Flow is from (2) Tunze 6045 and (2) Tunze 6025

Skimmer is a SRO1000INT

Running a dual BRS media reactor with carbon use only.

Salinity: 35 ppt (calibrated with refractometer and 53 ms solution)
pH: 8.0 - 8.1
alk: 7.5 - 8 dkH
nitrates: undetectable
po4: undetectable
temp: 79 degrees

I don't test for too much of anything else since it's a softie dominant system. I do supplement with TM Bio-Cal (1 scoop every day) to maintain the alk consumption. I have coralline growing literally everywhere and my SPS frags are growing very well. I have absolutely zero pest algae growing. My fish list is small - a single small lieutenant tang, king starry blenny, mated pair of maroon clowns and a royal gramma. My female maroon is larger than my tang... I keep several inverts (typical serpent star, cleaner shrimp pair, fire shrimp, various hermits, astrea snails, sally lightfoot and a longspine urchin).

The clam is placed on the bottom in a shallow sand bed and gets low - moderate flow (enough to make the mantle jiggle when open).

One thing I've noticed within the past few days is that one of my cleaners will go over and pick at the clam. It doesn't do this when fully open and this picking is few and far between. I've also inherited an explosive population of cerith snails (little tiny black conical shaped snails) but they've been in there for a long time before the clams were introduced. Additionally, I have a turquoise colored maxima clam that's literally inches away from the derasa and is open and very healthy looking. The maxima's been in the tank for at least a month or so longer than the derasa.

Sorry for the long post, but any help would be appreciated.
 
Well I freshwater dipped it last night thinking it may be pinched mantle... There was a bunch of little pod like critters that came off. I took pics but they're tough to see... They actually look like little, round, mottled flatworms but they have a fuzzy appearance to them and they scurry around fairly quickly. There were various sizes of them, the largest being somewhere around 1/8" diameter. I tried looking up parasitic copepods but really didn't find a match.

If anyone knows what these things are by my description, I would appreciate it.
 
u check for snails at night???
derasas are usu open quite a bit.
fwd is a last resort, so be careful.
what you describe sounds like harmless pods.
and a shrimp on a diseased clam would be constant, imo.
sally though is a def nipper potential, especially if it's big or you're a light feeder. if you have not seen this happen doesn't matter. sally's can easily be jekyll/hydes. i would not keep one w/clams ever again.
 
I don't really think the sally is the issue. It does scurry all over the place, but I've never seen it even touch either of the clams.

I dipped it again yesterday, but that will be the last time. It opened a little more yesterday evening after the dip and the incurrent siphon was open somewhat. The flesh in the mantle appears to have lightened up some - sort of think it bleached some, I'm not sure and since it hasn't opened all the way, I can't really tell.

The shrimp has completely left the clam alone since the dips, so maybe there was something (like food pellet or something) lodged in the shell somewhere and it was trying to get at it? Not sure.

As for the fish, maybe it has something to do with my female maroon. I decided I wanted to move the clam to a different location to see if was an environmental issue and when I did the clown thought it would be in her best interest to push the thing all over the place... So I put the clam back over near the area it was in and she's left it alone from what I can tell.

I checked last night for pyrams with a flashlight and I didn't see anything, but the clam did react quickly in response to the light, so I'm hopeful.

Anyway - thanks for all your help guys, I appreciate it. I'll update things either good or bad.
 
reread it, and you have no ca listed. what is it??
just b/c you haven't seen the sally do anything does not mean it's not happening.
but fwd for pm? why has the other clam not shown symptoms. pm is a rapid spreader. make sure to check for pyrams again, try before lights on.
never heard of a clown bothering a clam except to host one, unless the maroon has eggs.
anyway keep it updated and good luck
 
CA is approx. 460, but I can only measure in 20 ppt increments (API). I really don't check the CA level that often, I gauge the levels by the way the coralline and SPS corals grow which is quite well. I dose TM Bio-Cal, 1 scoop, once a day just to keep my alk in line and I just let the CA level fall in line with that.

I checked twice last night for pyrams... nothing, although these little black mini cerith snails have my concern. I took some pics when the lights were on but I can't upload at work and my wife was facebooking her *** off last night...

It was more open yesterday, but still retracted. The incurrent siphon is open, looks like its gaping a little and it still reacts with various things.
 
ceriths are no prob for a healthy clam!
i usre api cal it's fine. maybe a pic would help. gaping may not really be gaping
 
It's dead. It was being cleaned out when I got home. Sucks.

On the plus side, my maroons layed their first clutch of eggs today!
 
wow sorry. my suspicions still are sally. congrats on the maroon spawn, though. i know someone whose maroons spawn every couple weeks or so.
 
Yeah - you win some, you lose some. Can't be successful at playing God all the time I guess.

You in Smyrna, DE?
 
Cool - my folks live just south of you in the Cheswold area. Can't remember the name of the neighborhood, but in one of the newer neighborhoods out in between all the farms. My entire family's from New Castle / Newark / Wilmington.

Maybe next time we're up that way, I'll shoot you a pm and we can meet.
 
sure. i'm a mile N of cheswold.
small world, b/c my brother's wife's family is from newport news. i saw the grateful dead at hampton roads coliseum, back in the day
 
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