Dinoflagellates total blackout

Crazy Monstah

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Well, I have been recently diagnosed with dinoflagellates. It doesn't seem too bad yet, but I want to get a good early start on taking this pest out! I am currently raising my pH to 8.5-8.6, and I am going to be shutting my lights off soon. Now, do I leave my lunar lights on or just shut everything off? I feel like a complete blackout for three days will harm my fish. Maybe I'm just being worried. Any help and tips would be appreciated.
 
I had a dinos problem as well. I never raised my pH, but I did do the 3-day lights out thing. Once a month, every month. It took several months to completely knock all the dinos out but it did work. The fish were all fine, but it did take my corals several days to bounce back afterwards.
 
I would think no lights at all. Some even wrap the tank in black plastic to stop all light from entering. I too recently am starting to have an outbreak. I've raised PH for a week and it hasn't done a thing. I am trying hydrogen peroxide dosing started this morning with a lights out approach for the first few days. Luckily it's only on my frag tank.
 
I feel like a complete blackout for three days will harm my fish.

You don't think it ever gets dark for the fish out in nature? Just tell them that a big storm blew in and it got cloudy for a few days. They'll never know the difference.

Turn off all the lights if you want to have any effect on the dinos. Total blackout.
 
You don't think it ever gets dark for the fish out in nature? Just tell them that a big storm blew in and it got cloudy for a few days. They'll never know the difference.

Turn off all the lights if you want to have any effect on the dinos. Total blackout.

+1 Your fish will be fine. They can watch movies and eat popcorn for the couple days it takes in blackout.
 
Corals will survive 7 days as well. At ten days, some may not make. Although my corals that didn' t survive a ten day blackout was already in rwduced shape after a 7 day blackout two weeks earlier... I tried 3 days, then 5 days, then 7 days. But the only thing that worked for me was a ten day total blackout. I just wish I had done that to begin with...

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corals and fish will be ok bumping the ph worked for me when I had them. Since ph lowers during the blackout raising it to 8.5 while the lights our out works well I think. I did a 2 day black out and reintroduced 2 more hours each day untill It was back to full light. It worked for me.
 
Here's how I beat them with a little advice from Julian Sprung.

-Decrease photo period to 4 hours.
-Increase Alkalinity to 11dkh.
-Stop water changes.

This 3 step approach slows photosynthesis, slows the growth of the algae, and stopping water changes allows the algae to use up all available nutrients. Essentially with no light and no food the algae goes away. It's important to slowly bring the photo period back to whatever is normal for you. I suggest 1 hour a week till back to normal. Also be sure to maintain the increased alk till the algae is gone. It took me about 2 weeks to get rid of the dinos using this method. Good luck!


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Here's how I beat them with a little advice from Julian Sprung.

-Decrease photo period to 4 hours.
-Increase Alkalinity to 11dkh.
-Stop water changes.

This 3 step approach slows photosynthesis, slows the growth of the algae, and stopping water changes allows the algae to use up all available nutrients. Essentially with no light and no food the algae goes away. It's important to slowly bring the photo period back to whatever is normal for you. I suggest 1 hour a week till back to normal. Also be sure to maintain the increased alk till the algae is gone. It took me about 2 weeks to get rid of the dinos using this method. Good luck!


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Are you really sure that this was dino?. That changes desbribed above usually have no effects on dinos. Dino require very little amount of light, and only total blackout will sometimes work, but unfortunately common with recidiv. The nutrient way is often not working, as dinos thrive on organic stuff, and that you can never totaly deplete. It is totaly pointless therefore to reduce no3 and po4..on the contrary this can cause more dinos, as you will kill the healthy concurents to dinos. I think the cause is an unhealthy sandbed with lack of small microanimals and therefore the bed will build up an overload of organic stuff. The overload of organic stuff in combination with ultralow po4 and no3 will further kill the beneficial algue that could concure the dinos. Things that in turn destroy the sandbed and thus contributes to dinos is some sandstars, that will eat the good microanimals in the bed, and to have too much circulation that disturb the sandbed. I think also some cause can be too fine sand, more suitable for Deep sand beds. Grain size around 0.1-1 mm should be perfect only for real DSB...most of us have shallow beds in the displaytank around 3-5 cm..in that cases i think it is wrong with too fine sand...i guess that more correct grain size in that case should be 2-4 mm. So...bigger grain size, not too many disturbing animals in the sand, not too much circulation that destroy the bed, not too low po4 and no3, be careful with sandstars and sandshifter, maybe also not too many eremits of the same reason...they will eat up the micofauna in the bed, that in turn will in longterm get an organic overload in the bed. We all know that dinos almost always start in the bed so there is the cause i think. I have tried everything, nothing works except sucking out the bed and make some new in the proper way. Every times(4 times of 4) i have used arag lives 0.1-1 mm i got dinos after 3-6 months, thus when the organic load is too high in the bed. The only chemical way that works is Algenex...but it will not take care of the main reason, you will get recidiv...same is about total blackout...it works a while....

To be sure you have to look at them in microscope, alternatively have a very experiensed eyes..the dinos is recognised of their extreme fototaxi, that is that they completely dissappear when you turn the light of, and in 30-60 minutes will be back when turn the halid on. There is no other "algue" that behave like this as far as i know. The point is that dinos is not a common algue, as it is a partly heterotroph organism.

Jonas Roman/Sweden
 
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how long does it take dinos to disappear in the dark? ive had my lights off for 6 hours and the brown string is still on the rocks... ;/
 
Are you really sure that this was dino?. That changes desbribed above usually have no effects on dinos. Dino require very little amount of light, and only total blackout will sometimes work, but unfortunately common with recidiv. The nutrient way is often not working, as dinos thrive on organic stuff, and that you can never totaly deplete. It is totaly pointless therefore to reduce no3 and po4..on the contrary this can cause more dinos, as you will kill the healthy concurents to dinos. I think the cause is an unhealthy sandbed with lack of small microanimals and therefore the bed will build up an overload of organic stuff. The overload of organic stuff in combination with ultralow po4 and no3 will further kill the beneficial algue that could concure the dinos. Things that in turn destroy the sandbed and thus contributes to dinos is some sandstars, that will eat the good microanimals in the bed, and to have too much circulation that disturb the sandbed. I think also some cause can be too fine sand, more suitable for Deep sand beds. Grain size around 0.1-1 mm should be perfect only for real DSB...most of us have shallow beds in the displaytank around 3-5 cm..in that cases i think it is wrong with too fine sand...i guess that more correct grain size in that case should be 2-4 mm. So...bigger grain size, not too many disturbing animals in the sand, not too much circulation that destroy the bed, not too low po4 and no3, be careful with sandstars and sandshifter, maybe also not too many eremits of the same reason...they will eat up the micofauna in the bed, that in turn will in longterm get an organic overload in the bed. We all know that dinos almost always start in the bed so there is the cause i think. I have tried everything, nothing works except sucking out the bed and make some new in the proper way. Every times(4 times of 4) i have used arag lives 0.1-1 mm i got dinos after 3-6 months, thus when the organic load is too high in the bed. The only chemical way that works is Algenex...but it will not take care of the main reason, you will get recidiv...same is about total blackout...it works a while....

To be sure you have to look at them in microscope, alternatively have a very experiensed eyes..the dinos is recognised of their extreme fototaxi, that is that they completely dissappear when you turn the light of, and in 30-60 minutes will be back when turn the halid on. There is no other "algue" that behave like this as far as i know. The point is that dinos is not a common algue, as it is a partly heterotroph organism.

Jonas Roman/Sweden

I realize this is from 2 years ago but only just saw It. Yes I'm positive they were dinos and I'm positive Julian Sprung knows what dinos are. It's not a single pronged approach. Which is why shortening the photo period works instead of blacking it out.
 
Whenever i do a blackout, for like 3 days, I have Dino issues :( but every time I do a blackout my soft corals and anemones grow so much during the lights out period, idk why or if it's normal but my soft corals do great during blackouts lol
 
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