Do I have flat worms?

Tilmo2180

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I got some of these thingy's in my tank, anyone know what they are?
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Im headed out today to get some Joe's Juice and food, thought I would get something to get rid of what ever the things are. If someone could let me know what they are, and maybe what to buy to get rid of em. Thanks guys.

Steven
 
Those are definitely flatworms ... not harmful unless they multiply to plague proportions. They are also an annoyance to corals, particularly euphyllia as they sunbathe.

Green target (psychadellic) mandarn will eat them, almost every time. Also, yellow coris wrasse may eat them as well ...

The alternative solution is Salifert's Flatworm Exit, which is a mystery substance that causes the flatworms to begin squirming immediately and eventually die off. I've used it dozens of time on reef tanks with great success.

In general, though, I don't consider flatworms a problem unless there are lots -- from the looks of your picture it's getting that way.
 
yeah, there are lots and lots of them. They dont eat my coral just play on them and cause them to close. I have a Mandarin and have not seen him eat them at all. I will give the Flatworm exit a try and see how that goes.
Thank you.
Steven
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12130617#post12130617 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tilmo2180
yeah, there are lots and lots of them. They dont eat my coral just play on them and cause them to close. I have a Mandarin and have not seen him eat them at all. I will give the Flatworm exit a try and see how that goes.
Thank you.
Steven

The green mandarin won't eat them -- only the green target mandarin (the one with spots).

Flatworm exit works every time ... but it's expensive (kind of).
 
When you use the flatworm exit they will start to die off and float around. I would use a net to scoop out all you can before they foul your water.
 
With the flat worm exit, I suggest following the directions as far as getting rid of as many of the worms as you can before treatment.
Flat worms release toxins when they die, while a few couldn't kill much of anything, you are looking at hundreds id not thousands, estimate what you see and multiply by atleast three.
Once you feel like you have gotten what you can with a siphon, I double what the package says for dosage, because I can treat my tank several times with one bottle.
Wait for a few hours, or until you see corals getting really irritated, then do a 25% water change and add a good amount of carbon.
next day I suggest replacing the carbon, but for that first 24 hours you will want to keep checking on your corals as much as possible to make sure they are ok.
Two weeks later if you don't see any worms, double dose again to be sure.

Flat worm exit is not dangerous to corals, or fish, or anything else in your reef as far as anyone has found so far. But the toxins in the water from the flat worms dieing can be very bad if there are enough.

i have treated probablly 4 tanks in the last year with flat worm exit and I have not seen one fish die, and we have lost very few corals, most likely those were lost due to stress on the system due to some major water changes.
One of these tanks were my own, and it has been a couple months with no sign of flatworms, and I have not lost one coral or fish due to the treatment.
 
I find FWE to be very safe, when used correctly. You must be prepared to do the WC and carbon use after treatment. Since you have a lot, it is especially important.

A massive die-off can release enough toxin to wipe out your whole tank. It's a good idea to spend the next few days or a full week siphoning out as many as you can, reducing the numbers before treatment.

When you get to the point where you don't see too many of them out well into your photoperiod, it's a good time to treat. Do at least double the recommended dose in the instructions. Have a fish net handy, as you'll want to remove as many dead flatworms you see floating around as you can.

Do your WC and add carbon, then observe the behavior of your fish. If they seem lethargic or are breathing heavily, a 2nd WC may be in order to remove the toxin,

After about a week or two, do another treatment, just in case some stragglers or eggs made it through the 1st treatment.

Good luck!
 
Hey Steven

Meleev has a post on the flatworm problems he had on his website. Might want to check that out. I forgot the site but you can do a search on google or something... GL.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12130777#post12130777 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by eagleONE
mandarins won't really eat them. You may have some luck with some wrasses or FWE

Jay

I'm speaking from personal experience. Every time I've put a target mandarin with flatworms -- they disappear. I've actually watched them eat flatworms.

Six-line wrasses will occasionally eat them, although I will say that once I threw SIX six-line wrasses in a tank and the population of flatworms remained constant -- whether or not it was because they weren't eating quick enough, I cannot say.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12130903#post12130903 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gsechen
sixline wrasse will eat em

YMMV, mine does not eat them, as I had them in a QT tank.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12130931#post12130931 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by eagleONE
Hey Steven

Meleev has a post on the flatworm problems he had on his website. Might want to check that out. I forgot the site but you can do a search on google or something... GL.

Here is the link, that is referred to.
http://melevsreef.com/id/flatworm.html

Mark has a great site with a bunch of information and DIY stuff that runs the gamit of the hobby, I suggest you bookmark it for future reference.

To make things easy on myself, I bookmarked both the home page.
http://melevsreef.com/

and the visual id page, which if your starting out is a great resource.
http://melevsreef.com/id/

On the good side, these are just a pain in the butt type of Flat Worms called Red Planaria. If you keep SPS or are considering, the ones you need to be informed on are the Acropora Eating Flat Worms (AEFW's), which is a far more agressive breed that FWE does NOT work on and are much more devestating and harder to eliminate. These are discussed as well on melev's site, in addition to the information found in the RC SPS Keepers forum.

Twisted and Unarce, explained very well how to treat them. You should be fine following those pointers.
 
Ihave a target mandarin, same one as the pic on Meleve's site. Maybe I will watch him for a while. I decided against buying the FWE today instead I will get the population down first first before I treat the tank. So I decided to get 2 maroon clowns and a purple firefish instead, now there are fish you can see in small tank.

Thank you everyone for the help, I let ya know how it goes.
Steven
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12133754#post12133754 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tilmo2180
Ihave a target mandarin, same one as the pic on Meleve's site. Maybe I will watch him for a while. I decided against buying the FWE today instead I will get the population down first first before I treat the tank. So I decided to get 2 maroon clowns and a purple firefish instead, now there are fish you can see in small tank.

Thank you everyone for the help, I let ya know how it goes.
Steven

I've used this method (slowly reducing populations) as well ... and it also works. That is, I have siphoned off the huge clusters of flatworms and performed water changes as normal -- and the FW's will sometimes disappear on their own.

It is my opinion that FW populations explode only when conditions are perfect for them, which can change from week to week.

Good luck!
 
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