Do I need GFO? What can it do? Informational. Hair algae and dinoflagellates

Sk8r

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GFO is granulated ferric oxide. Iron, in other words, in a particular form.

It can be added in a bag for a very small tank, BUT---to really be effective, you need a GFO reactor. These, fortunately, are comparatively cheap, and require only a small pump to run. They also come in more than one size.

Here's what they do:

A GFO reactor sucks up phosphate, which you do not want in your tank---because it makes corals and fish and inverts unhappy---and it fuels hair algae. If you have a hair algae problem, especially a bad one, a refugium won't necessarily do it. You need a GFO reactor.

A GFO reactor also sucks up silicates, *once it's gotten all the phosphate.* If you have DINOFLAGELLATES this is something dinos require that you can remove.

GFO reactors come in two sizes: a smaller one that holds one container of GFO. That is good for a 50 gallon, or a larger tank with a moderate to small problem. With a seriously bad problem in a tank above 50 gallons, you can upsize to the larger reactor, which will handle 3 containers of GFO. It works faster. I personally recommend getting one WITH a pump, so that pump and reactor size are properly matched: getting a medium to absorb something well means matching the flow rate to the recommendation, and putting the wrong pump on many kinds of helpful flow-through devices isn't going to get the best exposure: it needs to be not too slow---not too fast.

There is also a bioactive beads stuff called NPX, which works well, too, and you can use a GFO reactor (with an adapter that prevents the beads escaping: they sell these adapters) to run NPX. I have both going in my tank.

Plan on a bad case of hair algae taking about 3 months to vanish. In the meantime keep pulling it off your rock. I also have (in a 100 gallon) two short-spine urchins who are doing a nice job---once the phosphate started going down. Apparently there was so much phosphate in the water it curdled their little appetites: I have no proof, but I know once I added the GFO and it worked for a week, the urchins started doing what urchins should, nibbling algae down to bare rock---they'll nibble a little coralline, too, but don't freak: coralline in a properly balanced tank is a renewable resource. It's sort of like complaining the goat you hired to eat the tall weeds nibbled a little of your Bermuda grass in the process. There'll be more coralline once you get the tank in good order.

Once you're rid of phosphate to such an extent it's starting to slow down cheato growth in your fuge, you'll want to pull the reactor out...unless you need it to go after dinos. In that case, sacrifice the cheato growth and get rid of the dinos. You can buy more cheato, but removing silicate is a priority.

You could also use the reactor for carbon in a softie tank---carbon is a good idea because softies spit at each other. Carbon removes coral spit.

Having a dial valve on your flow line from the GFO lets you gentle-down the flow so as not to grind your carbon to bits.

Note: GFO does NOT start spilling what it's collected once it reaches saturation. Carbon does: it 'fills up' with nastiness, then starts releasing the nastiness back into your water. So be aware that while you should change out GFO now and again, changing out your carbon every few weeks is mandatory!
 
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Thanks Sk8R! I just recently added a bag of Phosban (GFO) to reduce PO4 in my 65 gallon. I put it in my Aquaclear 70 HOB. It seemed to work. I recently change to Phosban from Phosguard as I thought the Phosguard was irritating some of my coral. Wasn't really sure but figured it was worth a try. Do you think the bag of Phosban in the HOB is okay for a 65 instead of having a reactor?

Also, whatever happened to that great thread on Cyano that was on here? I just did your 3 day lights out method to combat an outbreak I was having. My tank has been running for 9 months now and for 8 months of this time I never had ANY GHA, only some diatoms during the initial cycle. My CUC is pretty small because of this and they have always kept things in check. My parameters have always been good (SG 1.025, NO3 0, PO4 .02, Ca 435, Mg, 1500, Kh 12). I have never had such luck with no algae in past setups and I should have known to keep my mouth shut about it! Recently I saw another hobbyist's reef tank which was entirely covered with GHA and other algae and I told him about my good fortune regarding algae. Well I must have upset the Algae Gods with my boasting because all of a sudden I started growing GHA and Cyano all over my sand bed. Now at the same time I noticed my skimmer was not skimming as well either. So I removed as much as I could of the hair and did lights out for three days with paper wrapped around the tank. That really did the trick. I siphoned out the residual crud off the sand and I am addressing my skimmer issue. But after testing I found that my nitrates were around 5 ppm. My Nitrates have always read 0-1 at the most. I am assuming this increase in nitrates is from algae die off? Will it go down by itself as it did during cycling or do I have to do a massive water change? Would appreciate any advice.
- Michele
 
Sk8r I just installed my gfo, and decided to finally add that rock that had been curing that had been still leaching phosphates. Will see how things progress!
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A reactor is more efficient and works faster. If you have a really bad case, a reactor is definitely what I would recommend.

But when you have to make do, you can just 'make do,' and be patient with it.

Cyano is kind of a spring and fall plague in some tanks...sun angle and a window are to blame. It comes and it goes, but if you have killed off a batch of anything in your tank, yes, it stresses the sandbed trying to cope... This is where a skimmer tuned to work at top efficiency---and a fairly decent skimmer for your tank---are a big help. That's how extra crud gets exported. If it just reenters the tank as spare nutrient, it can cause another round...
 
I am rebuilding some of the old posts in my blog: blue number under my avatar will get you there. Admin has asked the forums to try to trim down the stickies, so we consolidated, and you will find them up in the stickies, but as a menu. I'm trying to do some posts that I can transfer to my blog to provide a kind of a quick reference I can send people to, if they're having particular troubles.
 
Excellent write-up. Considering how often this question gets asked/answered in both the "New to the Hobby" and "Reef Chemistry" sections, I'd encourage putting a link to this somewhere in one of the stickies.

One note about using reactors for newbies: there is a potential danger with any sealed reactor that's running tank water through it. Inevitably, organic detritus finds its way into the reactor & media during use. If you shut down the flow to the reactor, the environment inside can go anoxic after as little as 30 minutes, though perhaps a couple of hours is the more usual situation.

When the oxygen is depleted in the water within the reactor, the bacteria inside may start producing hydrogen sulfide, and H2S is extremely toxic to marine life. So if you simply start the reactor back up again after doing tank maintenance, after a power failure, etc..., you can inadvertently poison the whole tank.

Fortunately, there's an easy solution - simply get a piece of long tubing and attach it to the reactor outlet. Place the end of this tubing in a bucket, and re-start the flow to the reactor. Collect about 4 times the reactor's volume in the bucket, and throw it out. You can then safely put the effluent of the reactor back into its normal location.
 
Thanks Sk8r! I got my skimmer back running well again so hopefully I have a handle on it. My cyano wasn't a bad case and you are right - some sunlight had been entering that area of the tank the last few weeks. So are you suggesting that the sand bed (and rock) will eventually reduce my nitrate level on it's own without having to do massive WCs? Nitrate is at 5ppm so it's not crazy high but definitely higher than I usually have.

I also found all the old stickies consolidated as you say. What a great reference for everyone. Thanks!
 
Great tip. Thank you. I don't usually change out Carbon/GFO during water changes. I try to change carbon every 3 weeks, so it is always changed a week before monthly water changes.
When I do water changes, the reactors are off for at least 1 hour. After reading this I guess I will be adding Carbon/GFO replacement as part of the monthly cycle. But that would mean pushing the carbon change out to 4 weeks.
 
It's my sense that a charge of GFO will last about 3 months, which is generally long enough to do the job in most tanks. 'How long will it last' is probably a moving target of a question, depending on how bad the phosphate source in your tank (eg, particular rock sources) is...
 
Excellent post, but would you please explain how much a "container" of GFO is? A cup, quart, liter, ounces, pound? Thank you.
 
please RINSE your GFO throughly.. I say at least filter out 3 gallons. and be careful handling them

I changed out my GFO along with a 10% water change (I was later told not to do this again), my clams immediately started gaping an hour after the GFO/WC. next day both clams died. they were perfectly healthy before the WC. new water's salinity and temp was exactly the same as DT.

i did some searching and GFO particles can really do harm to these delicate animals. someone on the forum lost several old clams because GFO particles leaked out of the reactor into the DT.

my tank is algae free though..
 
Rinse the gfo, and be careful how you set up the seal at the top of the unit.

Phosban is sold in jars. One jar adequately fills one small reactor; 2 fill the larger. By fill, I do not mean to the top. You need a lot of room for the medium to move about.
 
Since I saw this post I've moved my carbon/gfo media change to 4 weeks. My biggest issue now is that before the 4 weeks is up the sponges in the reactor gets clogged and the output from the reactor dies down to just a trickle.
 
Rinse the gfo, and be careful how you set up the seal at the top of the unit.

Phosban is sold in jars. One jar adequately fills one small reactor; 2 fill the larger. By fill, I do not mean to the top. You need a lot of room for the medium to move about.

Sk8r - Your OP never once mentioned Phosban. You wrote about GFO.
 
Phosban is a popular branded GFO "product" used in the hobby (I think you know this, just posting for clarity).

Sk8r advice is written to be as general/widely applicable as possible. I think she does a great job of that! Leaving the brand names of products out seems to help with that aim.

Sk8r - you need to convert these posts and stickies into a book. Your information is better presented that most available resources out there :)

-droog
 
THanks.. I try to talk in generalities because there are usually several very good brands of an item, but when it comes down to specific questions I also try to speak for the ones I've actually used and know something about.
 
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