Does anybody use this Salt
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Thales
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Right. But they played it as if it was an independent study.
I find it telling that the company is located in one of the largest reefing areas in the country yet the salt has never gained any traction locally.
I have been in this hobby/industry for almost 30 years - does that somehow mean people should believe me more?
Would you continue to buy it if you didn't get a deal on it?
lbaldrey
New member
I think the salt hasnt spread more because of the owners reputation than the salt not being a good salt. lol
I have interacted with him for years and he can be a fun character....really very knowledgeable and takes a lot of time to reply to hobbyists questions and his posts usually are tongue in cheek but a heap of info in there too...
In my personal experience I was always been an IO user and could never explain why i was fighting hair algae constantly....I did everything possible but somehow it would just would be around on the rocks...
Thats when i got to know that BIO-SEA was being sold in a neighbouring country about 800miles away and through my companys branch located there I had 2 x 50G bags brought in...
The 1st thing i noticed was the salt mixed clear in minutes...IO always left a white deposit on my mixing bucket and hardly mixed to crystal clear...maybe the storage practices here...
The next thing was the Calc and Alk mixed to 420 & 7.8 DKH...1.025 ATC Refractometer calibrated using RO.
Within the month of doing 2 x 25% water changes the algae died back and soon it was gone...
I got another bag in with much difficulty and my frequency of water changes went down cause the salt was tough to come by yet no hair algae grew back...
I tried to think if i did anything else differently but I hadnt...absolutely sure i changed nothing else...
Within 4 months Coralline...and for 3 years i never had a spot...I was getting coralline growth on rocks that looked like small pink montiporas the flaking variety...pretty awesome...
Ive changed jobs now...BIO-SEA is no longer an option so Im back with IO and guess what ive been dealing with the past 3 months...Hair Algae and not a speck of coralline. Its all died off...
I tested calcium yesterday and its 395 Salifert and Alk is 7.6 DKH LaMotte / Salifert 8.2
Will now need to look into a 2 part...
A Ferrari is a car and a Toyota is also a car...both will take you places but less ferraris are on the road cause less people want to spend that kind of money...
Thats IME.
I have interacted with him for years and he can be a fun character....really very knowledgeable and takes a lot of time to reply to hobbyists questions and his posts usually are tongue in cheek but a heap of info in there too...
In my personal experience I was always been an IO user and could never explain why i was fighting hair algae constantly....I did everything possible but somehow it would just would be around on the rocks...
Thats when i got to know that BIO-SEA was being sold in a neighbouring country about 800miles away and through my companys branch located there I had 2 x 50G bags brought in...
The 1st thing i noticed was the salt mixed clear in minutes...IO always left a white deposit on my mixing bucket and hardly mixed to crystal clear...maybe the storage practices here...
The next thing was the Calc and Alk mixed to 420 & 7.8 DKH...1.025 ATC Refractometer calibrated using RO.
Within the month of doing 2 x 25% water changes the algae died back and soon it was gone...
I got another bag in with much difficulty and my frequency of water changes went down cause the salt was tough to come by yet no hair algae grew back...
I tried to think if i did anything else differently but I hadnt...absolutely sure i changed nothing else...
Within 4 months Coralline...and for 3 years i never had a spot...I was getting coralline growth on rocks that looked like small pink montiporas the flaking variety...pretty awesome...
Ive changed jobs now...BIO-SEA is no longer an option so Im back with IO and guess what ive been dealing with the past 3 months...Hair Algae and not a speck of coralline. Its all died off...
I tested calcium yesterday and its 395 Salifert and Alk is 7.6 DKH LaMotte / Salifert 8.2
Will now need to look into a 2 part...
A Ferrari is a car and a Toyota is also a car...both will take you places but less ferraris are on the road cause less people want to spend that kind of money...
Thats IME.
Reefer Brian
In Memoriam
Yes..
Why are you making this thread miserable with all the politics of the company who makes darn good salt? Lets try to keep it positive here as the original poster is only asking a simple question.
Thales
Active member
I don't believe being positive in regards to the salt was implicit in the OP's question, or that being positive in regards to any product is the purpose of this website. I don't believe I am making this thread miserable - we are having a discussion about a salt mix.
I continue to respond because I happen to have the time right now. I don't think the salt is particularly great and I think that the politics/SOP of the company that makes it are bad for the hobby/industry as a whole.
I continue to respond because I happen to have the time right now. I don't think the salt is particularly great and I think that the politics/SOP of the company that makes it are bad for the hobby/industry as a whole.
Thales
Active member
I don't think the salt is particularly good. Its fine, but its not the best thing since sliced bread and it doesn't hold up to the hype the company puts out about it.
I am not so sure of the brand I use, and I generally use three brands depending on what I have around or what I can get easily at the time I buy salt. I actually don't particularly think salt mixes are the breaking issue in the hobby because there are so many good ones out there and there are so many other issues that impact our tanks. In fact, if you look around the net, you will find posts about just about every salt being the best salt ever and you'll find posts about all of them that say switching to brand x cleared up a hair algae issue, diatom issue, cyano issue, etc.
And, yes, I think the company is pretty icky and is bad for the industry/hobby and that does impact my purchasing choices.
I am not sure why my not liking the salt is so troublesome. This is a discussion of a salt mix - some people like it, some don't and we are all sharing our thoughts. If you like the salt, and disagree with me, by all means continue using it and let people know you like it. By the same token, please don't get weird when someone express a different opinion.
I am not so sure of the brand I use, and I generally use three brands depending on what I have around or what I can get easily at the time I buy salt. I actually don't particularly think salt mixes are the breaking issue in the hobby because there are so many good ones out there and there are so many other issues that impact our tanks. In fact, if you look around the net, you will find posts about just about every salt being the best salt ever and you'll find posts about all of them that say switching to brand x cleared up a hair algae issue, diatom issue, cyano issue, etc.
And, yes, I think the company is pretty icky and is bad for the industry/hobby and that does impact my purchasing choices.
I am not sure why my not liking the salt is so troublesome. This is a discussion of a salt mix - some people like it, some don't and we are all sharing our thoughts. If you like the salt, and disagree with me, by all means continue using it and let people know you like it. By the same token, please don't get weird when someone express a different opinion.
Brian and Ibaldrey:
With salt - or any or product there 2 things that most look for:
1. That the product hols up to the "promise" of what it says it will do
2. That the company that manufacturers it seems reliable, and approachable -or - in other words, provides the consumer with good product support and policies relative to such.
Again - I do not know anything about this salt from using it. However - when I see the documentation that refutes the manufacturer's claims about their product testing or it's objectivity, and come to know of the manufacturer filing suit against his customers in order to get possession of the customers web address.....It makes me not want to do business with or support such acompany. If it is a good product, but the company that makes it acts maliciously towards it's own clientele - then WHY support them? How can you percieve the company as reputable???
Look, you really have to deciced for yourself who you want to give your money to.
I feel like we all have to put up with too much politics, stress, and frustration from our day to day lives. This is a hobby. Our escape from the troubles of life.
So- I make choices (including salts) that I believe will make my tank better - and - not worry me about the little, usually insignificant things that make us all crazy.
I still say you can be successful using any salt ( made by a reputable manufacturer) as long as you make adjustments with trace elements along the way.
T
With salt - or any or product there 2 things that most look for:
1. That the product hols up to the "promise" of what it says it will do
2. That the company that manufacturers it seems reliable, and approachable -or - in other words, provides the consumer with good product support and policies relative to such.
Again - I do not know anything about this salt from using it. However - when I see the documentation that refutes the manufacturer's claims about their product testing or it's objectivity, and come to know of the manufacturer filing suit against his customers in order to get possession of the customers web address.....It makes me not want to do business with or support such acompany. If it is a good product, but the company that makes it acts maliciously towards it's own clientele - then WHY support them? How can you percieve the company as reputable???
Look, you really have to deciced for yourself who you want to give your money to.
I feel like we all have to put up with too much politics, stress, and frustration from our day to day lives. This is a hobby. Our escape from the troubles of life.
So- I make choices (including salts) that I believe will make my tank better - and - not worry me about the little, usually insignificant things that make us all crazy.
I still say you can be successful using any salt ( made by a reputable manufacturer) as long as you make adjustments with trace elements along the way.
T
Reefer Brian
In Memoriam
This thread is getting way off topic.....
I would still use it if were in a white labeled bag that simply said "SALT". I tried it first and then saw the "report" after using it for a few months......I made my own report and it is still the best salt I have ever used hands down.....
I would still use it if were in a white labeled bag that simply said "SALT". I tried it first and then saw the "report" after using it for a few months......I made my own report and it is still the best salt I have ever used hands down.....
I certainly understand your position Brian - and I respect it.
And I also respect the position of all those on the other side.
The salt is probably as good as any - but the company that makes it has done some questionable theings, that are off-putting to many. No judgement in that - jus is what it is.
T
And I also respect the position of all those on the other side.
The salt is probably as good as any - but the company that makes it has done some questionable theings, that are off-putting to many. No judgement in that - jus is what it is.
T
Reefer Brian
In Memoriam
This will be my final post on this subject(maybe one more depending on the answer).....
THALES, not in one of you posts have you even mentioned that you have used/tried this product. Is this true???
Have you used it or not...or are you just one of the bay area reefers that wont even touch the stuff due to the local politics? Your posts are unsubstantiated at this point.
I personally only give reviews of products I have indeed used and so should you.
THALES, not in one of you posts have you even mentioned that you have used/tried this product. Is this true???
Have you used it or not...or are you just one of the bay area reefers that wont even touch the stuff due to the local politics? Your posts are unsubstantiated at this point.
I personally only give reviews of products I have indeed used and so should you.
Thales
Active member
REEFER BRIAN - Yes it is true that in the posts in this thread I have not directly mentioned if I have used the product or not.
Yes I have used it.
I think there are more options than the 3 you have mentioned. For instance, its not local politics, its international. The owner of the company in question has bugged people all over the world.
I thought my 30 years experience made my posts unquestionable.
I personally try to only trap people in a 'gotcha' moment when I have indeed confirmed that I have actually 'gotched' them.
Besides, after 30 years, you don't actually need to use a product to know everything about it. Reefers are like vampires - the longer you have been one the more super powers you get. I can do water changes with just the flick of a finger*
BTW, I disagree that the only way to have an opinion of a product is to use it. I have never used an EcoAqualizer, but that doesn't mean I don't know its not bunk.
*That's actually true
When you buy any product, you are supporting the manufacturer.
If you do not agree with the manufacturer's actions or position on an issue, don't buy the product.
*BUT* - that is a separate issue from whether or not the product is any good - or is junk.
And the originator of this thread is probably well advised to join a 12 step program in order to deal with us all - when *ALL* he wanted to know is whether or not to use a given brand of salt:rollface: .
T
If you do not agree with the manufacturer's actions or position on an issue, don't buy the product.
*BUT* - that is a separate issue from whether or not the product is any good - or is junk.
And the originator of this thread is probably well advised to join a 12 step program in order to deal with us all - when *ALL* he wanted to know is whether or not to use a given brand of salt:rollface: .
T
