DragonFace Pipefish - 2 different species?? *pics*

sickman

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In my efforts to combat my "red bugs" I have made 2 purchases of "dragon face pipefish" over the last 18 months. The first batch I recieved "Type A" and last week I got "Type B" as pictured below:

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Type "a"'s have a much smaller and rounder head with eyes that are bigger in porportion to the rest of their head. Type "A" Dragonfaces also have red tipped dorsal fins and in general their patterens on the body and head have alot more color and contrast than type B's. Type B's are about 2 - 3x larger, much fatter and have longer heads and alot less color and no red tints on their dorsal fins.

I have had "Type A"'s for 18 months and out of the original 4, there are still 2 left, because I don't have a fuge and not many visible copapods, I assumed they would have no choice but to eat the red bugs on my acros. Over the last year of observing them, I would say they spend 95% of their time on the bottom of my tank in my sand/rubble bed. The couple times I have seen them up near my acros at the top of the rockwork they never once picked at anything on the acros, they completely ignored red bug infested acros! Even the colonies on the sandbed covered in so many redbugs they were readily visible to the naked eye, a Dragonface would completely swim over and pick something out of the sand, would never touch them at all.

I assumed I had so many red-bugs that there were enough of them in my sand/rubble bed for the Dragonfaces to live off of, and over the past year they eat red bugs at the same pace the redbugs reproduce, so there's a perfect harmony and the Dragonfaces never need to touch the bugs on my acros.

So this purchase I hoped would be different and so far, same results, peices of acros covered in redbugs go completely ignored, even peices that are covered placed in the sandbed!! I don't get it!! I 100% know that I have redbugs, here's a closeup of them:

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These are the ones on the sandbed the dragonfaces completely ignore!! If they supposedly eat redbugs how the heck is it possible they show no interest in that redbug covered acro? They swim right past it never give it a second look!!
 
It seems that such a large infestation like that would need to be first controlled by some other means to get the numbers down to reasonably low levels so as to give the pipefish a chance to actually wipe the red bugs out. Its kind of like flatworms and wrasses/mandarins. Sure they eat them, but theres just too many flatworms for the fish to keep up with. You have to give them a head start somehow. I've never dealt with red bugs before so I can't offer any advice on dealing with them in other ways, but lots of people have completely overcome them so hopefully they will chime in to help you a little.
 
you don't understand, the dragonfaces ignore the red bugs completely, swim past large populations of them and don't stop for a nibble even. If they at them at all they would at least stop at a big group of them and eat a couple over the last 18 months you would think.
 
Sounds like copperbands and aiptasia. Some specimens are enthusiastic, some (like mine) are completely indifferent. I think it's the luck of the draw.
 
Re: DragonFace Pipefish - 2 different species?? *pics*

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10030706#post10030706 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sickman
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I have had "Type A"'s for 18 months and out of the original 4, there are still 2 left, because I don't have a fuge and not many visible copapods, I assumed they would have no choice but to eat the red bugs on my acros.

I appologize ahead of time if I am misreading, but are you saying that you starved the first batch of pipes you got, hoping that it would force them to eat the bugs, and then when half of them died of starvation, you bought more with the idea to do the same thing?

Every fish has its own personality, and they aren't guaranteed to take care of whatever problem you have. It looks like you need to find a new solution for your red bugs, and a new home for your pipes... or you at least need to start feeding them.
 
Re: Re: DragonFace Pipefish - 2 different species?? *pics*

Re: Re: DragonFace Pipefish - 2 different species?? *pics*

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10035703#post10035703 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ann83
I appologize ahead of time if I am misreading, but are you saying that you starved the first batch of pipes you got, hoping that it would force them to eat the bugs, and then when half of them died of starvation, you bought more with the idea to do the same thing?

Every fish has its own personality, and they aren't guaranteed to take care of whatever problem you have. It looks like you need to find a new solution for your red bugs, and a new home for your pipes... or you at least need to start feeding them.


No the first batch had several deaths the first week, these were likely from the initial shipment, for example from this batch the LFS got 10 in, and by the time I made it in to get them there were only 6 left alive, and 1 died the first day they were in the tank. I don't intentionally starve them, they have plenty of red bugs they can eat in the tank, and since they have survived so long in my tank, I highly doubt any of them are "starving".

In fact the people I know that have gotten DrangonFaces rarely can keep them alive with direct feeding for more than 6 months and mine are still here 18 months later.
 
Actually I meant for the main focus of the post to be about the 2 different species of DragonFaces, there is no way the 2 DragonFaces are the same species of fish, yet I can't find any info about the differences.
 
There are several species of dragon face or mess mate pipefish, I believe there are over ten though I am not positive. A good reference for this would be the Kuiter syngnathid book "Seahorses, Pipefishes and Their Relatives: a Comprehensive Guide to Syngnathiformes". Alternatively you could try searching Fishbase.org.

Good luck!

>Sarah
 
I think that the two different dragon faces are geographical variations. You also see this in the bluestipe pipefish.
 
Type A and B both appear to be the same genus Corythoichthys. According to Kuiter's book there are 23 described species and he also lists 12 others. If you start with the genus and do some research you should be able to get a positive ID.

Although some of the dragon-faced pipes eat red bug probably not all species go for them and even some individuals from the same species may or may not eat them as stated above.

Bruce
 
I just got 2 of the Dragon-Faced pipes today type A. I got them for the sole purpose to cut down some red bug population on my acro's. Am I hearing that many of you think they don't eat red bugs?
 
well the discussion seems to be more like there are dozens of dragonface pipefish subspecies, and there is speculation some of them do, some don't and other say they all do just might get some individuals that don't eat em on a case by case basis. after having over 10 of these in 2 different subspecies, I'm more inclined to believe it might be just the luck of the draw as to which species actually eats them.

After observing mine for over a year, I think mine do eat red bugs, I've seen em picking at the glass where some redbugs congregate from time to time, but the Dragon faces won't eat them off the acros at all.

If anyone has DragonFace Pipefish that are confirmed to eat redbugs off of acros, I'll pay you big time for it!! lol
 
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