drooping xenia, scared zoos, and black specks on the shrimp

six.line

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The title pretty much says it all.

Tank: 15 gal, 36W PC lighting, 40lbs sand, 17 lbs live rock, been up for about 3 weeks and both the fish store (they seem knowledgable and come highly reccommended from local reefers) and myself say that the water's fine.

Ammonia: 0
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate ~15
Temp: 78F
As far as pH and Alk go, my testing kit simply says Good/Bad

I don't have a tester for calcium.

The xenia has small blotches of discoloration, it droops and and doesn't pulse at all or pulsates verrrrrrry slow. The zoos are simply hiding, and I woke up today to find my cleaner shrimp has black specks on him! Argh!

I have no livestock other than a few assorted snails and crabs. No fish.

Any help appreciated.
 
Tank: 15 gal, 36W PC lighting, 40lbs sand, 17 lbs live rock, been up for about 3 weeks
Nitrate ~15
and myself say that the water's fine.

I think there is your problem right there.
Readable nitrate levels means the water is far from fine.
Try cycling the tank before you get any corals or invertebrates and stop going to that shop.
 
Anyone else?

3 weeks -- I seeded it with sand from a very healthy 75 gallon tank.

If I learn my lesson either from a tank crash or from here, I'll learn my lesson. Please remember that as a newbie, everyone's an expert to you. And opinions vary as the sands of the sea, no pun intended.
 
None the less everyone will agree nitrates 15 you should not be having invertebrates especially 3 weeks in.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6575425#post6575425 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ti
None the less everyone will agree nitrates 15 you should not be having invertebrates especially 3 weeks in.

I don't agree.

IMO, a nitrate of 15 is high, but not terribly high. It won't kill anything, except really fragile SPS.

Just keep doing water changes (2-3 gallons every 5 days would be good, especially since your tank just started). If it doesn't go down in a month, you should look at adding a HOB fuge (an old AquaClear filter can be modded really easy for this.. look in the Nano forum under the DIY links thread).

The xenia is fine, how old is it? It may just upset from being moved from tanks.

What do you mean about the zoos? Are the heads closed? Its possible a crab walked by them or they are also upset from moving tanks. I had a frag of zoos stayed closed up for atleast a week, but they came out perfectly healthy.

And the shrimp.. I'm not sure what it is. Do you feed him? Without any fish in the tank, I'd give him some Formula 1 Flakes or even some frozen mysis.

HTH.
 
Yes nirates should be 0... If can take it out do it now!! If not do a lot of water changes and a lot of praying but everything will probably die.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6577163#post6577163 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by clord
Yes nirates should be 0... If can take it out do it now!! If not do a lot of water changes and a lot of praying but everything will probably die.

Are you kidding me? A Nitrate reading of 15 will not kill softies or most inverts
 
that kinda happened to me when i first started my tank, if u moved the xenia alot they dont get too happy, and for the zoos my problem was high saltinty they dont like high saltiny, just my though
 
problems...

problems...

Just keep doing water changes (2-3 gallons every 5 days would be good, especially since your tank just started). If it doesn't go down in a month, you should look at adding a HOB fuge (an old AquaClear filter can be modded really easy for this.. look in the Nano forum under the DIY links thread).
Done and done for the water changes. As far as nitrates go, it was my understanding that they'd be difficult to remove entirely, and that there was an acceptable swing that was kept in check via water changes. Is this incorrect?


And the shrimp.. I'm not sure what it is. Do you feed him? Without any fish in the tank, I'd give him some Formula 1 Flakes or even some frozen mysis.
Originally, I tossed in a few (3-4) small protein flakes meant for fish and he garbled up all but one of them (which the worms/crabs promptly feasted upon) until a few days ago. A friend of mine gave me a supply of little pellets. I'm not sure what they are, but the canister he gave them to me was labeled "Shrimp pellets." I'm not sure how to get more descriptive than that. :D

I'm an hour's drive from a competent LFS, which isn't open very late, so going and getting new food means a weekend journey. I'll look for the Mysis next time I'm down there.

What do you mean about the zoos? Are the heads closed? Its possible a crab walked by them or they are also upset from moving tanks. I had a frag of zoos stayed closed up for atleast a week, but they came out perfectly healthy.
As far as the zoos go, they started opening up but they haven't completely spread their wings, so to speak. I was relieved when I came home and they had relaxed a bit.

The xenia is fine, how old is it? It may just upset from being moved from tanks.
The xenia had been in my friend's tank for roughly 5 months. It looked dang healthy in his tank, but my eye isn't exactly trained to see quality, you know? :)

I really had hoped someone would tell me to relax and that everything would be fine...


Thanks, IDH. (it does help.)
 
Re: problems...

Re: problems...

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6577754#post6577754 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by chris.rogers
Done and done for the water changes. As far as nitrates go, it was my understanding that they'd be difficult to remove entirely, and that there was an acceptable swing that was kept in check via water changes. Is this incorrect?
They aren't too hard to get down to 0, if thats what you mean. 1 pound of rock per gallon helps with denitrification (such as you have), it just seems like your tank is young and isn't completely established (no biggie). But like I said, if in a month and you still have nitrates higher than 10, definately add a HOB fuge. I ran one on my 40g until I could afford a sump.
Originally, I tossed in a few (3-4) small protein flakes meant for fish and he garbled up all but one of them (which the worms/crabs promptly feasted upon) until a few days ago. A friend of mine gave me a supply of little pellets. I'm not sure what they are, but the canister he gave them to me was labeled "Shrimp pellets." I'm not sure how to get more descriptive than that. :D
My shrimp doesn't eat any kind of pellets, I think they are too dense for him or something. If yours eats them, then great. I have always fed mine flake when there was no fish. Once you get your first fish, he will get enough extra food.

I'm an hour's drive from a competent LFS, which isn't open very late, so going and getting new food means a weekend journey. I'll look for the Mysis next time I'm down there.
Yeah, ask them if they have frozen Mysis or frozen Formula 1. San Francisco Bay brand has a good Carnivore Medley or similar that has really good chunks of meat. If you do get frozen foods, just cut off a 1/10" cube (TINY) and thaw it in a little tank water. Then you can feed the shrimp with a turkey baster.

As far as the zoos go, they started opening up but they haven't completely spread their wings, so to speak. I was relieved when I came home and they had relaxed a bit.
Yeah, sounds like they are just getting used to the new tank.

The xenia had been in my friend's tank for roughly 5 months. It looked dang healthy in his tank, but my eye isn't exactly trained to see quality, you know? :)
Yep, should be fine. If its the first day of having it, it won't look perfect. In about 2-3 days it'll be used to your water and happy.. in a week, it might be going perfectly.

I really had hoped someone would tell me to relax and that everything would be fine...


Thanks, IDH. (it does help.)
A lot of people seem to be real pessimistic on RC. If anything at all is less than perfect, they think its going to die, better bring it back to the LFS. IME, if something is doing bad, the least thing it needs is to be put in a bag of water and brought to a new tank. It is much less stressful to leave it in the tank.

Don't forget the water changes, they are the key to making your corals happy. Glad I could help.
 
What are telltale signs of the xenia not recovering? It's been in since Sunday night and hasn't had much change. Is there a point where it's better to remove it-- I can't imagine having a rotting carcasse in my living room would make life easier on me if I were my shrimp/zoo/crab...
 
The cleaner shrimp will live with it for a while but has a disease that affects shrimp

Do you know what it has, or if it can be cured/treated?

It's really a speck instead of a spot on his exoskeleton, almost as if he's got some dash of pepper on him.
 
It is something that is under it exoskeleton it will change with molting it will get worse. There is no treatment I know of. I canââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t say it is what you have without seeing it, but if it is this disease the spot will become splotches all over the shrimp.
 
The blacks spots on shrimp do often indicate an incurable disease. The invertebrate forum has more on this topic. I don't know any way of confirming that your shrimp has this disease.

I agree that 15 ppm nitrate should not be an issue for soft corals. I had higher nitrate levels higher than that for years in one tank and had Xenia, etc, growing at an excessive clip. Since your Xenia has been in the tank only a few days, I wouldn't worry too much yet.

I would suggest considering pH and alkalinity test kits that return numbers. A pH meter can be handy, for that matter.
 
bertoni:

Yeah, the kit I have is second hand from a friend. I need to get a better one. Tuition sucks. :D

I'll check out the inverts threads, thanks.

Gobie:
I'll keep an eye on the shrimp. Any idea what caused it?
 
Itââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s just one of those things shrimp can get. Nothing you did, it may not be what it has, could be just a black spot. Good luck
 
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