DSB Heresy

saraiva said:
ldrhawke,
for a 92 gal tank, how much pits are necessary to drain each 8h.

Your English is better than my Spanish, but I think we have a little translation issue.:)

Pits....holes?
drain each 8h.....?
 
Thanks a lot for the information ldr. I want to see how I want to set up my new 60 gallon cube tank, but I'll probably go barebottom or possibly with extremely coarse substrate.

Peace,
John H.
 
ldrhawke said:
Your English is better than my Spanish, but I think we have a little translation issue.:)

Pits....holes?
drain each 8h.....?

I think he means " how many pints to drain each 8 hours"
 
saraiva said:
DougSupreme

Thank you for the correction, i mean " how many pints to drain each 8 hours"

There are three different approaches to using CPW that I have experimented with.

1) Draining through the CPW for weekly water changes.
2) Periodic short term daily pulse flushing to drain through the CPW
3) Continuous low flow rate wasting back into the system using the CPW.

If you did nothing more than use (1) your DSB would benefit in that it would never build up with sulfide waste and go sour backing into the DSB. I use this in conjunction with (2) and (3).

Short term flushing (2) keeps CPW from short circuiting when wasting small amount daily. It assures of a more uniform removal across the DSB. I recommend you removed a couple of gallons per day using this method, divided into 3 or 4 periods over the 24 hours.

I am presently testing using (3) but it appears that when continously draining nitrates are extracted from the DSB. I have added a denitrification stage to address this.

Is any one method better than the other? I am not sure yet. The main thing is to keep the DSB from going sour, (1) does this. I am not sure if (2) and (3) help the overall treating of waste yet.

Point of interest. Yesterday I cleaned up the interface of the bed with the front of the tank. All that goop showing bothered me. I cleaned it with a high pressure water nozzle fed from the recirculation system. It looks clean and nice again with all white CC. Like a new tank. It made a real mess with detritus floating around for a few hours, but the tank looks clean again and none of the coral or fish were lost or overly bothered by my clean up. I filtered with a side stream through filter floss to remove as much of the floating detritus I could. Some of the SPS seemed to enjoy the new source of food. I didn't check for nitrates, but I figure I dumped some back into the system and it will take a few days to fully recover. I knew my DSB wasn't full of sulphides so I wasn't too concerned about upsetting the tank balance.

Interesting point is that the nitrogen gas bubbles deep in the bed, that I cleaned off in the process, were forming again in the bed with a few hours. Denitrification didn't lose a beat. All of this fear of disturbing the DSB denitrification process and it taking weeks to recover is unfounded. One the bacteria is seeded in the bed, it will recover quickly as the aerobic bacteria uses up the oxygen.
 
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I would like to build a CPW system and would like to see some pictures or diagrams. Your Gallery appears to be empty.
 
Thanks for the pictures, that looks like a great setup. Can you tell me what "drainage cloth" is, and where I might find it.

Thanks.
 
I bought mine at home depot in the plumbing section, it's used in landscaping as barrier to prevent weeds in a yard but still allows water through.
 
I heard from a landscaper that the cloth you mentioned may disintegrate over time. I don't know if this is true, or what the cloth is made of, but make sure it isn't any organic (biodegradable) material. Most plenums use eggcrate with screen mesh on top.
 
I used nylon mesh/screen from Home Depot. I just wrapped it around the pipes several times and secured it with small cable ties. Works great.

Jay
 
I don't know, I never saw his sig. Just his last post he said "I stand by my sig".
Also, I should clarify what I said in the last post, I said I THINK he got banned. In other words, I am not sure, but I suspect that's what happened.
 
Hi. I just filled up the tank last week. Its still got nothing in it other than sand and some temporary fish and crabs.


I hooked up an egg-crate plenum about 1" from the bottom of my remote DSB/Plenum. Its covered with fly screen and 1.5" of 2mm calcium carbonate. On top of the CC i have fine live beach sand from a surf beach. I hope the high PH at the bottom of the plenum will dissolve calcium from the CC. The CC also prevents the 3.5" fine sand from getting through the fly screen. I wish I used some shade cloth or something between the cc and sand because the beach sand was finer than I thought and has a tendency to migrate through the CC.

I have a hose underneath with holes in it. I reckon it will do a good job at even circulation because of the large plenum space to equalize pressure.
 
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