Effect of Carbon Dosing on Macro

reefs4lifee

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Hey guys, so I've been contemplating to start either vodka or vinegar dosing but the biggest worry on my mind right now is what affect that will have on my macros. I currently have 4 different types of macro algae, including dragons breath so I wouldnt want to kill it. Additionally, I also have mangroves in a very thick bed of sand and mud. I'm hoping for no negative effects but I posted to get feedback from people's experiences. Thanks in advance, Fortunato
 
In small amounts I doubt that the Acetic acid and ETOH will not have much impact, the acetic acid will quickly dissolve the HCO3, or alkalinity into CO2 and H2O with an acetate ion. So it's okay for a Carbon source in a marine aquaria.
So the macros will consume the CO2 pretty easily. Thus keeping the pH relatively stable from such dosing.

Still, adding organic matter such as food is likely a wiser approach if the PO4 can be managed, which if you have macros, should not be an issue unless you have very few macros and large bioload or something outside the norm or common sense.

Also, if you have a decent macro biomass there's no need to add carbon sources, the macro leachates alone provide bacteria with ample reduced carbon sources already, which is why they are suggested for skimmerless refuges etc.

You are adding more work that is needed certainly, they are redundant. Keep the macros, they do a lot more good and offer more utility than the dosing 2-3 things, PO4 removers, skimmers etc.
 
it will grow as long as some nitrate and some phosphate if its all gone then forget the cheto it bwill die but then why do you need it and having some nitrate and phosphate is good
 
oh btw for whatever reason i noticed with carbon dosing and gfo the cheo has tendency to float to surface and burn out so put a rock on it and sink it
 
ETOH or Acetic acid dosing will NOT remove PO4.
Their function is to add reduced carbon(think carbohydrates) to the spartan feeding and loading that many reef folks do so that the bacteria can increase the rates of NO3 denitrification and some other cycles. Essentially the water is so pure that the bacteria become carbon limited. So adding a little bit of reduced carbon, it can come from most any source such as macro algae, it a wise thing to add.

If you spot treat, acetic acid will pickle any macro algae or any other critters you have that comes in contact with it at high concentrations and low flow.
So will ETOH.

So you can also use it to deal with some problem algae also.

Generally, if thr macros do very well, then there's little issue with other algae. Macros also provide a nice habitat for various other biota, supply O2, remove both NH4, and NO3, and PO4 also.

So no need to dose ETOH/Acetic acid, GFO's, Skimmers, etc.
It's also self replicating and you can sell the seaweed, feed it to your tang etc. It makes for a much more natural biocontrol method for nutrient management.

One thing about refuges: make sure to prune excess growth routinely, do not wait till the fuge is overflowing, then remove 95% of the biomass. Wait till there's about 75% full, then remove 25%, try to keep roughly 40 to 50% surface area coverage at minimum, but do not let it get choked. If the macro biomass is stable, then so are the tank's conditions and loading rates. If you can do that, then it really is one of the simplest and cheapest ways to filter the water.

This way the NO3/PO4 do not bottom out like it might if you had 100% full refuge, and not rise if you only had 10% biomass left AFTER harvesting it.
It's common sense if you think about it.
 
Yeah I would love if someone experienced with this replied to the thread though lol so we can get some insight on the matter

i actualy have some experience. i been in the hobby for 15 years and carbon dosed for 5. wen i carbon dosed with the macro it wouldnt grow for me. i also read that chaeto doesnt typicaly do well in ulns.

sorry if my post befor sucked, but u could have graciously ignored it and waited for the other posters.

i wanted to see wut other had to say bfor i gave my advice on this
 
I carbon dose (vinegar) in my system with a wide array of macros. IME as long as you have a readable amount of NO3 & PO4 you will be fine. I keep my NO3 at just above readable (.2) and PO4 around .01-.03. My macros grow just fine.
 
I've seen better gains with my macro since keeping spent GFO, magnesium sulfate, & potassium chloride to my display tank regimen. Since I have hard & soft corals, carbon dosing comes in with kalk/vinegar. I imagine my calcareous algae needs the Ca too!
 
Lately I started turning off my skimmer for 24hrs after feeding my DT 16oz of the live pods & phyto I culture. Everything is responding well...
 
+1 I removed most of the sand in the
display tank when I installed Anu powerhead that was blowing it all over the place!
 
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