Epidemic has broken out

[HumbleFish]

Thanks again HumbleFish, I've decided to go with TT, I'll probably set up a permanent/ temporary quarantine while doing the TT.

How would you suggest sanitizing the tank and equipment after TT?
I was planning to wipe down with diluted bleach and sun dry. Some people said completely dry after 24 hours is good enough, but I'm skeptical..

I personally wipe down with vinegar to clean, rinse thoroughly and then air dry to sanitize. You want to let everything air dry for as long as possible before next use.

 

[tony727]

Okay vinegar it is, and I'll dry it for 48 hours then start to fill it again.
I'll start tomorrow..hopefully it isn't too late

 

[HumbleFish]

Okay vinegar it is, and I'll dry it for 48 hours then start to fill it again.
I'll start tomorrow..hopefully it isn't too late

Better to clean it ASAP and let everything air dry for (almost) 72 hrs. You can premix SW in a vat and set everything up when you do the next transfer. Be sure to guard against aerosol transmission i.e. don't store your SW too close to the treatment tank. Or keep any of the treatment tanks too close to the DT. Look here: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2422655

 

[tony727]

Wow I didn't about know that one..This is going to be harder to do than I thought. I don't have enough room unless I do the TT outside where there is no A/C or next to the DT.
(Now thinking about doing it in my room, taking out tables bed..etc LOL)

 

[HumbleFish]

Everything has to be at least 10 feet away from everything. LOL

 

[wooden_reefer]

I don't. TT exploits the most predictable phase (trophont) and breaks the cycle, preventing formation of tomonts and the subsequent infective stage. No tomonts = no theronts = no reinfection.

Copper only affects the theront stage, from which excystment is highly variable - anywhere from 3 to 72 days. And, there's no way to tell if you have any encysted tomonts (which are not affected by the medication) remaining after copper treatment ends.

But maybe I'm looking at this from the wrong angle. Please explain why it is presumptive.

Can you be sure that for each transfer you have no chance of including ich? How?

 

[Deinonych]

There is a lengthy thread that goes into this detail. Rather than rehash the information, I would recommend you read through it:

www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1996525

 

[wooden_reefer]

The chance of not including any substrate or minute dirt particle at each transfer can be low, but not zero.

 

[Deinonych]

The chance of not including any substrate or minute dirt particle at each transfer can be low, but not zero.

Yes. No one said it was absolutely 100% guaranteed to work. No treatment is. It's all about mitigating risk of infection. If you have reservations about tank transfer, then don't do it. No one is holding a gun to your head. Trying to find minute flaws in the procedure is just being pedantic.

 

[HumbleFish]

Yes. No one said it was absolutely 100% guaranteed to work. No treatment is.

+1 One hundred percent is an unattainable thing.

 

[blackcell]

Honestly, I have tried everything in the market. The safest bet is dr-g marine medication. Which doesn't stress the fish.. Those that are very badly infected.. It's tough and chances if they consume food, there is still a chance.. It's always best to QT your fish before adding to Main tank. Check out below link.

http://www.drgsmarineaquaculture.com/

 

[president89]

I heard ginger powder is a good natural cure for ich.

 

[HumbleFish]

I heard ginger powder is a good natural cure for ich.

This is false.

 

[wooden_reefer]

Yes. No one said it was absolutely 100% guaranteed to work. No treatment is. It's all about mitigating risk of infection. If you have reservations about tank transfer, then don't do it. No one is holding a gun to your head. Trying to find minute flaws in the procedure is just being pedantic.

I also have not had ich for over 30 years using Cu and 12 weeks or longer duration, during which I just about seep tea and watch.

I am not saying the TT is not effective, just that one should not presume that it is more effective than Cu.

I am also not claiming that Cu works 100%, just works for me for decades.

I am certain that little food for the fish for additional even just ten days is not wise. So for those that don't eat well after being handled should not go thru TT, especially right after arrival to your QT.

I am certain that the condition after ich eradication is very important.

The eradication of ich is basically sound and effective most of the time. It is not difficult to the point of overlooking other facets of QT, the scope and the intent.

 

[HumbleFish]

I also have not had ich for over 30 years using Cu and 12 weeks or longer duration, during which I just about seep tea and watch

You treat with copper for 12 weeks?

 

[wooden_reefer]

You treat with copper for 12 weeks?

Yes, straight unchelated copper.

 

[castroantonio]

Copper the best way to eradication ich.. i did it 5 years ago and now, dont have any ich sign.

 

[Deinonych]

I also have not had ich for over 30 years using Cu and 12 weeks or longer duration, during which I just about seep tea and watch.

I am not saying the TT is not effective, just that one should not presume that it is more effective than Cu.

I am also not claiming that Cu works 100%, just works for me for decades.

That's great - I am not debating the efficacy of copper. I know that it is very effective against Cryptocaryon. However, I prefer non-chemical means of eradication when possible. So, my treatment philosophy differs, but not the end goal.

I am certain that little food for the fish for additional even just ten days is not wise. So for those that don't eat well after being handled should not go thru TT, especially right after arrival to your QT.

I don't disagree. This is why I ensure the fish are eating well before treatment.

 

[wooden_reefer]

That's great - I am not debating the efficacy of copper. I know that it is very effective against Cryptocaryon. However, I prefer non-chemical means of eradication when possible. So, my treatment philosophy differs, but not the end goal.



I don't disagree. This is why I ensure the fish are eating well before treatment.

A good fraction of fish will not eat well when handled. TT is not a method of choice for these.

 

[wooden_reefer]

For most fish Cu is a theoretical risk at the hands of the experienced, or those with good quantitative commonsense.

I also accept the factor of genetic variations, as in human medicine, so I at least wish to lean toward lower dose. I would like to try CP (for the latter six weeks).

Weighing against this chemical risk with Cu are the risks of increased chances for bacterial infection, compromised nutrition and drug administration via food, and more human work pertaining to TT.