finally found fimby!!!
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anaya
Shh Lets Not talk Cost!
Okay; soooo; I lied. I took some pictures but can't figure out how to get them from iPhoto to upload into the album I created here(any tips would be appreciated).
The eel is beautiful and the pictures I took with my simple iPhone do not do it justice! A friend of mine is going to come over later tonight with a real camera and take some proper photos. I am going to get a photobucket account and try it that way for now.
The eel seems to be acclimating well. I have it currently in a small clear cage in my tank with rocks to hide in. The purpose for placing it in the small cage is in the tank is I also house a snowflake eel in that aquarium. I want to see their interactions before I make a decision on if I should keep them as cohabitants.
The snowflake is an inch or two larger than the fimby.
The eel is beautiful and the pictures I took with my simple iPhone do not do it justice! A friend of mine is going to come over later tonight with a real camera and take some proper photos. I am going to get a photobucket account and try it that way for now.
The eel seems to be acclimating well. I have it currently in a small clear cage in my tank with rocks to hide in. The purpose for placing it in the small cage is in the tank is I also house a snowflake eel in that aquarium. I want to see their interactions before I make a decision on if I should keep them as cohabitants.
The snowflake is an inch or two larger than the fimby.
anaya
Shh Lets Not talk Cost!
oh its just my grow tank a 29. so I am highly doubting the combo will work. The permanent home for the Fimby is a species spec 75. I do not want to put the fimby in the 75 yet because I plan to keep 2 in it. I will eventually find me another (hopefully the same size) and if all goes as planned add them both to the 75 at the same time so that no territory is set up to fight over. I am setting up another 75 for the purpose of having 2 SF., but that tank is still in the equipment purchasing stage.
I do have a friend who has been non stop calling me today because she wants the SF I have super bad haha. So I have a decent home lined up for it if that is best. I say decent because all she has is a 40 breeder (long term not so ideal).
Oh and by the way I hate this posting photos issue. Ok well I hate that I can't operate it!!!!
I do have a friend who has been non stop calling me today because she wants the SF I have super bad haha. So I have a decent home lined up for it if that is best. I say decent because all she has is a 40 breeder (long term not so ideal).
Oh and by the way I hate this posting photos issue. Ok well I hate that I can't operate it!!!!
aday2remmbr
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dont put 2 in a 75 gallon, too small.
anaya
Shh Lets Not talk Cost!
aday2remmbr: No disrespect intended. What has made you come to that belief? Did you read that somewhere? If so I would like to read the source.
I have read online somewhere(will try to find info again and post a link) that as long as it was an eel only tank it is possible to house two of the smaller moray eels in a 75 some in a 55 if they are both introduced at the same time at a young age. In all cases it may not work but has in many. I'm not in any way saying your wrong or that I am correct. That is just what information I had found. I can and will change my plans if a credible source contains information showing that there is no way possible to successfully house them in this manor without inevitable harm being caused to either of the eels. I love my critters and the last thing I want is to see them live miserably or harmed in any way.
I have read online somewhere(will try to find info again and post a link) that as long as it was an eel only tank it is possible to house two of the smaller moray eels in a 75 some in a 55 if they are both introduced at the same time at a young age. In all cases it may not work but has in many. I'm not in any way saying your wrong or that I am correct. That is just what information I had found. I can and will change my plans if a credible source contains information showing that there is no way possible to successfully house them in this manor without inevitable harm being caused to either of the eels. I love my critters and the last thing I want is to see them live miserably or harmed in any way.
aday2remmbr
New member
they max out at around 3 feet, 2 3 foot eels in a 75 gallon tank is a recipe for disaster. thats equivelant to putting 2 snowlflakes in a 75. worse in fact
aday2remmbr
New member
just stick with one, some places say that even one shouldnt be in a 75 gallon tank.
aday2remmbr
New member
http://www.bluezooaquatics.com/productDetail.asp?did=1&pid=641&cid=17
this place says 50 gallons for one, so for 2 it should be at least 3 times that.
this place says 50 gallons for one, so for 2 it should be at least 3 times that.
anaya
Shh Lets Not talk Cost!
I did not start this thread to upset anyone. Today is an exciting day for me. I do thank you for your input and only ask to read where the knowledge is coming from. If it is personal experience with either of the species I previously mentioned I would love to know every detail about it and will treat the information as I would any other credible/original source.
Where did you find anything about 3x's the size for one?
I'm simply asking because a moray eels are scientifically known to be hermaphrodites, just as clown fish and many others.
The more dominant of the two will become the female and be slightly larger, the other will remain male. If the enclosure is too large there is a risk of both eels having enough room to establish their own territory and possibly becoming the same sex which will almost be like encouraging them to fight. If the enclosure is only large enough for one territory to be established, the eels are introduced at the same time at a young age with no prior territories established you more likely to end up with a male-female pair therefor minimizing the risk of aggression. Also with no other inhabitants in the tank it minimizes the competition for food also reducing the risk of aggresion.
With that being said when you purchase two young clown fish in hopes they will pair, you can put them into a tank that is the required size for one fish, or if you purchase them as a pair the minimum tank size does not increase.
In fact, for an example pertaining to eels, there is currently a pair of jeweled moray's on D.D. and in the min. tank space you will notice that it has posted the required tank size the same as the single eels being sold in the marine fish section of their site.
Again, I am not saying your wrong, I'm right. I just prefer to read up on the information I am told in credible books or credible web sites that preferably end in .org, .net or gov..
.com sites are mostly there to sell a product not inform the general public of scientific facts. Pertaining to the example I posted above from a .com source: I used the references just as an example not a scientific fact.
I mostly use JSTOR.org to find relevant information pertaining to word of mouth information I am told. JSTOR is a data base containing scientific journals, studies and reports that have all been peer reviewed by scientists in the appropriate field and puplished on a national level.
For example where I learned they are hermaphrodites:
Comparative Gonad Morphology and Sexuality of the Muraenidae (Pisces, Teleostei)
L. Fishelson
Copeia
Vol. 1992, No. 1 (Feb. 3, 1992), pp. 197-209
Published by: American Society of Ichthyologists and Herpetologists
Article Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/1446552
And articles like this one provide astounding scientific facts:
Type Catalogue of Indo-Pacific Muraenidae
Eugenia B. Böhlke and David G. Smith
Proceedings of the Academy of Natural Sciences of Philadelphia
Vol. 152, (Oct. 14, 2002), pp. 89-172
Published by: Academy of Natural Sciences
Article Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/4065115
I appreciate your input but if I can not verify it through a credible source I may as well go to petsmart, petco or any other LFS and get their input as well.
Where did you find anything about 3x's the size for one?
I'm simply asking because a moray eels are scientifically known to be hermaphrodites, just as clown fish and many others.
The more dominant of the two will become the female and be slightly larger, the other will remain male. If the enclosure is too large there is a risk of both eels having enough room to establish their own territory and possibly becoming the same sex which will almost be like encouraging them to fight. If the enclosure is only large enough for one territory to be established, the eels are introduced at the same time at a young age with no prior territories established you more likely to end up with a male-female pair therefor minimizing the risk of aggression. Also with no other inhabitants in the tank it minimizes the competition for food also reducing the risk of aggresion.
With that being said when you purchase two young clown fish in hopes they will pair, you can put them into a tank that is the required size for one fish, or if you purchase them as a pair the minimum tank size does not increase.
In fact, for an example pertaining to eels, there is currently a pair of jeweled moray's on D.D. and in the min. tank space you will notice that it has posted the required tank size the same as the single eels being sold in the marine fish section of their site.
Again, I am not saying your wrong, I'm right. I just prefer to read up on the information I am told in credible books or credible web sites that preferably end in .org, .net or gov..
.com sites are mostly there to sell a product not inform the general public of scientific facts. Pertaining to the example I posted above from a .com source: I used the references just as an example not a scientific fact.
I mostly use JSTOR.org to find relevant information pertaining to word of mouth information I am told. JSTOR is a data base containing scientific journals, studies and reports that have all been peer reviewed by scientists in the appropriate field and puplished on a national level.
For example where I learned they are hermaphrodites:
Comparative Gonad Morphology and Sexuality of the Muraenidae (Pisces, Teleostei)
L. Fishelson
Copeia
Vol. 1992, No. 1 (Feb. 3, 1992), pp. 197-209
Published by: American Society of Ichthyologists and Herpetologists
Article Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/1446552
And articles like this one provide astounding scientific facts:
Type Catalogue of Indo-Pacific Muraenidae
Eugenia B. Böhlke and David G. Smith
Proceedings of the Academy of Natural Sciences of Philadelphia
Vol. 152, (Oct. 14, 2002), pp. 89-172
Published by: Academy of Natural Sciences
Article Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/4065115
I appreciate your input but if I can not verify it through a credible source I may as well go to petsmart, petco or any other LFS and get their input as well.
aday2remmbr
New member
its pretty much just common sense, you dont keep two 30 inch animals in a tank thats 4 feet long. with any eel the information you find on the web varies. for the snowflake many places say you can keep it in a 20 gallon, but a lot also say no less than a 90. same with the fimby.
anaya
Shh Lets Not talk Cost!
Okay thank you for your input and I have noticed the same type of variations frequently on the internet that is why I always further research the topic/subject/issue/problem/suggestion in credible sources books/library/databases before I come to any type of conclusion. As you have read in my last post I do not rely on most information found on the web. I simply use the information on the web as a road map for where I need to take the more in depth research.
since your first post on this thread I have been beating my keyboard and eye balls to death combing through journal after journal after online books and hard copy books finding no evidence that what I have in mind is going to fail. Because I like my animals more than most of my relatives lol trust me the moment I see or find any info I will change my plans.
Now if you wanna speak of common sense on keeping animals and the size of their enclosure. I will say that some may not agree with my plans but that is personal opinion and I respect that. Some people keep their dog tied up with a dog house and a 15 ft chain. Some people never let their dog out of the house and let it urinate and defecate on large potty pads. Zoos keep rhinoceroses in enclosures smaller than my back yard(1.5 acres for size reference). Cats that are never let out of the home. I don't agree with any of the things I just posted about housing animals but at the same time I can find either no scientific evidence that states those animals will be miserable or parish due to those specific practices or laws that will stop the owners from doing just that....
since your first post on this thread I have been beating my keyboard and eye balls to death combing through journal after journal after online books and hard copy books finding no evidence that what I have in mind is going to fail. Because I like my animals more than most of my relatives lol trust me the moment I see or find any info I will change my plans.
Now if you wanna speak of common sense on keeping animals and the size of their enclosure. I will say that some may not agree with my plans but that is personal opinion and I respect that. Some people keep their dog tied up with a dog house and a 15 ft chain. Some people never let their dog out of the house and let it urinate and defecate on large potty pads. Zoos keep rhinoceroses in enclosures smaller than my back yard(1.5 acres for size reference). Cats that are never let out of the home. I don't agree with any of the things I just posted about housing animals but at the same time I can find either no scientific evidence that states those animals will be miserable or parish due to those specific practices or laws that will stop the owners from doing just that....
olemiss reb
Molon Labe
Shoot Lukfox a pm, she kept two in a 75 problem free. I currently have a fimby pushing 3' in a 90. It could easily handle two as long as water quality is maintained.
I'd ditch the snowflake simply to be able to keep some shrimp.
My guy--
I'd ditch the snowflake simply to be able to keep some shrimp.
My guy--
anaya
Shh Lets Not talk Cost!
WOW that is a beautiful eel olemiss reb!!! I will send lukfox a pm as soon as I'm through typing this. Well the thought of giving the snowflake to my friend is looking more and more attractive, because I don't think it will survive long in with the fimby and I may learn of another species for my other 75. How long have you had your fimby? Has it always been ok with the cleaner shrimp?
palmer373
New member
Dang it Olemiss Reb now i really want a fimby :eek1: awesome fimby.
Hey im like that too, I waste my day thinking about a new tank or what ill put in my current ones lol. I usually look at eels and scorpions and lionfish but im not good with feeding anything except pellets, sometimes i forgot to feed those lol. Id love to get a lion, scorp, or eel but im not sure if i could follow through with the feeds, Im in high school without a job.
palmer373: Thank you for the tip. I have read the thread multiple times and love the info. HAHA I sadly use the search function almost daily and type in just the word eel and read for hours and hours lol This may actually qualify as an obsession
Hey im like that too, I waste my day thinking about a new tank or what ill put in my current ones lol. I usually look at eels and scorpions and lionfish but im not good with feeding anything except pellets, sometimes i forgot to feed those lol. Id love to get a lion, scorp, or eel but im not sure if i could follow through with the feeds, Im in high school without a job.
olemiss reb
Molon Labe
I got it from bluezoo about three years ago. It's never harmed any of the shrimp. It occasionally seems agitated when they clean its mouth for too long but it just shakes its head and they scurry away.
Piscivorous eels are generally a safe bet with shrimp. It's the pebbletooth eels that you have to worry about.
The fimby has eaten numerous fish though(see pic<---). I used to buy damsels in bulk every few weeks to add some color and movement to the tank. As the fimby has gotten larger it has ignored the smaller tankmates and prefers large sections of octopus or squid.
I thought about adding a G. milliaris to the tank but I could never find one for sale that was as large as the fimby. If you bought a small fimby/goldentail at the same time they may work quite well together, just a thought.
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