first SW tank?

Wait, time out! You say you have the funds now for all the basics. I misunderstood you. I think I read more into your statement than I should have. I assumed you meant that getting a bucket of $50 salt was a stretch. So at the risk of flip flopping my comments above, can I take a step back and ask a few more questions?
How much money do you actually have to get started? I have found that most of my monthly expenses come from getting new stuff, not the actual cost of running the tank. The list of regular stuff, for me, is salt, carbon, GFO, 2-part and RODI filters. All of this doesn't really cost much when broken down to monthly cost (for example, a bottle of GFO lasts me well over a year).
My belief is that complexity comes, not so much from the size of the tank, but from what you keep in them. Compare a 100 gallon that is fish only, with one that is loaded with SPS. Instead of starting with a small tank, and getting equipment that will never transfer to a larger tank, maybe you DO start with the large tank, but focus on basic soft corals and easy fish? No reactors, no dosing pumps, maybe even no controller. The trick is to buy things once, not save a few $ on something cheap, and end up regretting it and having to replace it with what you should have purchased in the first place (like a cheap skimmer). But honestly, you won't be perfect, and end up with some things you regret.
In your list above, if you could buy it all, there's really no reason not to get the bigger one. I would suggest you start with mostly dry rock to save cost, and patiently let it seed itself from a few live ones (dry sand for sure). A typical build takes at least a few weeks to get the plumbing set up, and then it could be another 2 months for everything to cycle and be ready for you CUC, THEN you wait again to add your first fish and corals. You can read a lot during that time and learn as you go. If you don't just get crazy and dump an angelfish in the first week, you can certainly be successful. The tone of your posts seems to indicate you are willing to learn and be patient, which goes a long way in this hobby.
So, to really evaluate your options, what is your startup budget?
 
i would agree with everything mpderksen said. good advice. i would just buy as much live rock as you can and live sand. yes in a big tank its a lot more money, but its saves you a lot of time and i feel good quality live rock saves you algae blooms later on, plus your able to put fish and coral in a lot soon with live quality rock, how many kids your age are actually patient, but it will cost you a lot more
 
i would agree with everything mpderksen said. good advice. i would just buy as much live rock as you can and live sand. yes in a big tank its a lot more money, but its saves you a lot of time and i feel good quality live rock saves you algae blooms later on, plus your able to put fish and coral in a lot soon with live quality rock, how many kids your age are actually patient, but it will cost you a lot more


I will agree with "as much live rock as you can", which will be determined by your actual startup budget. If you have to choose between all live + a cheap skimmer, or a few live with a great skimmer, I would advise doing the patience thing and go quality on the hardware. That said, part of the fun of a new tank with live rock is all the little bonuses you get (fun to watch what seems to come out of no where, as long as it's not something bad). I'll respectfully disagree with the live sand option, because I don't feel the benefits justify the cost. Either way is certainly fine, and it's not really a hill anyone would die on. Dry sand becomes live, just takes longer. And rinsing it, which is also debatable, turns live into mostly dead anyway. My $0.02. Time vs, cost. It's that way with lots of things in reefing.
 
i agree , get the best skimmer money can buy, best lighting money can buy, and best ato unit money can buy. those 3 things will save you a lot of headache over time. i prefer led, because they are the same though-out there life, bulbs dont loss there efficiency after 9 months, plus less electric and less heat. i have no idea on the live sand, he might be right but it made me feel better, plus my tank is small, only needed 30 lb. good luck
 
I have about $8000 in the bank currently and it took me surprisingly less time than I imagined to save up. It only took about 3 months or so working 2 regular shifts at the LFS per week, but it helps that I worked hard at my previous job so when I resigned, they asked if I'd like to just come back and work a shift whenever I want. So that's a lesson to be learnt- be polite and respectful and in the end, it has really paid off!

The tank I was thinking of grabbing was the "AquaReef 400", reef-ready with a built in overflow box, pre-plumbed sump, skimmer, lights and heaters. That's $1699.
That cheap cost leaves me to believe that the skimmer and lighting isn't the greatest. I calculated the wattage and it falls short of the 2.5-3.5 watt per gallon rule of thumb for LPS and SPS (I'm by no means going to jump straight in to these difficult corals, I was just thinking long-term. I'll go with softies and maybe phase them out if down the track I ever fall in love with acros.)

I don't want to bore you guys with the ins and outs of the budget, so I'll just quickly go over the other option. Buying everything separately, custom built tank, cabinet, sump, skimmer, lighting, powerheads etc. It'll be more expensive actually, because the tank, cabinet and sump are the same price as the complete set up, but perhaps it will be worth it to start off strong with quality equipment, not to mention with plumbing I fixed up myself so understand and will be able to remedy if something goes wrong without having to fiddle around too much.

Or I could get the complete set up and just upgrade the skimmer, lights, add an ATO system etc. I'm worried because the amount of AquaOne tanks I've sold have lids that don't leave much freedom for upgrading lights. I'm sure something will be figured out either way.

Also, thanks for the tips on live/dry rock. I was going to buy a heap of dry and maybe seed it so to speak with one hunk of live (mainly so while I'm waiting for the cycle to start and the algae bloom to rear it's ugly head, I can keep occupied with the hitch hikers haha).
So after the helpful small vs large debate which was still valuable, what's everyone's opinion on DIY vs. Complete set up in terms of a beginner?
 
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Change of plans again. A guy on the Aussie equivalent of Craigslist is selling his >100gal with cabinet, hood, lighting and sump for $500 negotiable. I'll go and inspect it with him to check for leaks but I think this is the way to go. Purchasing the tank will therefore barely skim the top of my savings and I can splurge on a good skimmer, ATO, RO system etc.

Transporting it is an issue. I've got a trailer that fits the tank, and it fits through the door but I imagine it is heavy. anyone had any experience on safely moving a large tank?

Sorry for all the questions, you're all probably sick of me by now! Probably thinking instead of lazily bothering the forum I should go conduct my own research,
 
If you're not going to pull the trigger on that 100gal tank, I'd recommend going small like many have said just to 'get a feel' for SW, and not break the bank in the process. I personally switched from FW to SW and mostly because of space constraints went for a dinky 5.5 gallon tank. I gotta say its been a great decision IMO, I really like the feel of a nano tank, and water changes 10% weekly takes no time at all. As for the top off issue, just have a container of RODI water on standby and dump some in whenever you feed the fish, I don't know how anyone could consider that time consuming - you're gonna feed the fish daily anyways.
One thing I'd recommend is an all in one type or system to start out, except for the lights. One of the issues I had was finding proper lighting for a nano tank (5.5 is pretty damn small lol), the stock lighting for most 'reef ready' tanks that I've seen on the smaller tank side of the market don't seem suited for much other than softies and some LPS. However, since you are just starting out, the pros definitely outweigh the cons with an all in one system, and SPS aren't considered beginner corals anways.
Best of luck!
 
How far are you moving it? How old is the tank? Be sure
To check the silicone and all the seams.

About 15km, so only a 20 Min drive. The tank is 2 years old apparently and the guy's moving overseas so he has to regretfully sell it. I'm not too worried about the silicone because at least that can be easily resealed, but do these tanks sometimes have chips in the glass? That's my real nightmare.
 
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