First Tank (Need Help)

Billybatz9

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Hey guys,
I am new to the saltwater tank hobby and was wondering if anyone could help me out. I have a few questions. I want a fish tank for live rock, fish, and sea anemone and colorful plants (corals? Reef?) . I am not good with saltwater terminology.

1. What size tank should I go for? 30, 55, or 75
2. I am purchasing my tank and supplies on craigslist to save money. Good or bad idea?
3. Will I be needing a wet/dry filter, refugium, or both?? Can I get away with just hob filters?
4. Do I need a protein skimmer? Can you recommend one. I have heard some are crap.
5. How long do I need to cycle tank before adding fish and live rock?
6. Mix own salt water or buy it?
7. Any special lighting needed for fish or corals? How long lights on/off?
8. What are the necessities?
9. How much will it cost monthly to maintain?
10. How much will electrical bill go up?
11. Are saltwater tanks really as hard as people say they are to keep?

Thanks guys.
 
Best advice... Start reading. All of your questions are answered on the forums. Many of them in the stickies.

Tanks size - as big as you can afford.
Craigslist is fine. Just research before buying.
Research the rest.

Welcome to the dark side.
 
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1031074

Read everything there. That is a good place to start. Then read it again and again until you fully grasp it all. After that, if you need any clarification, feel free to ask. Things may have changed since some of those articles were written, and needing clarification is expected. We just can't bottle all that info up into a quick response.

Yes, saltwater tanks require a lot of money and effort, specifically reef tanks (those that contain corals in addition to fish and other invertebrates). Yes they are significantly more difficult to maintain than freshwater, though also significantly more rewarding.

The first thing you have to do is read, read, read. If you don't have the patience or interest to put in the time reading and researching, you won't make it long in this hobby. But if after you've learned more about marine life, water chemistry, lighting, plumbing, electrical, carpentry, etc. than you ever thought you would and you're still interested, you should be on your way to a successful future tank.

I'll provide some quick responses to the specific questions you asked, but I believe you have a lot of info to absorb still.

1. What size tank should I go for? 30, 55, or 75
The 75 would probably be the best place to start. It will have a good amount of water to help keep parameters stable and offers some nice aquascaping options.
2. I am purchasing my tank and supplies on craigslist to save money. Good or bad idea?
Nothing wrong with buying used, but you should know EXACTLY what you want before you hand out any money, and you should know that what you're paying for works as intended. Research all pieces of equipment thoroughly before spending any money.
3. Will I be needing a wet/dry filter, refugium, or both?? Can I get away with just hob filters?
Do some research on sumps for reef tanks. I would not use a wet/dry filter or hob filters at all. A refugium can be incorporated into a sump.
4. Do I need a protein skimmer? Can you recommend one. I have heard some are crap.
This is a debated question but I believe they are well worth the investment. The exact one you choose will depend upon the size tank you go with. Generally, though, you want to avoid Coralife. Companies like Reef Octopus, Vertex, Bubble Magus, Tunze make good skimmers. There are plenty more out there too. Generally if it seems really cheap compared to these brands, it's no good.
5. How long do I need to cycle tank before adding fish and live rock?
Live rock goes in right away. It's the surface on which the bacteria that allow the cycle to happen colonize. Read up on the difference between live rock and base rock and why you might choose to use each. As for fish, it depends on how long your tank takes to cycle. Could be a week, could be a month or more.
6. Mix own salt water or buy it?
Read up on RO/DI units and absolutely plan on buying one, and also a good refractometer, and make your own saltwater.
7. Any special lighting needed for fish or corals? How long lights on/off?
Yes, corals require special lighting. Each coral has a specific lighting requirement. You need to know what kind of corals you plan to keep to decide what lighting will be best for you.
8. What are the necessities?
There are a lot. Good test kits for Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate, Calcium, Magnesium, Alkalinity, pH, the tank, the stand, the lights, a skimmer (IMO), an RO/DI, refractometer, powerheads, a return pump if you go with a sump (which I recommend), Live Rock (or base rock, or both), and more.
9. How much will it cost monthly to maintain?
It depends on a lot of factors. Plan to spend lots of money.
10. How much will electrical bill go up?
Significantly.
11. Are saltwater tanks really as hard as people say they are to keep?
Yes. They are a lot of effort, a lot of money, and require a ton of research. As I mentioned, though, they are exceptionally rewarding when you get it right.
 
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1. tank size? the bigger the better!
2. cl is fine.
3. sump + refugium is good.
4. protein skimmers are very helpful. brands -depends on your budget and tank size.
5. you can put live rocks/ dry rocks/ base rocks + shrimp and cycle till ammonia and nitrite readings reach zero. then add livstocks. this process usually takes from a month to two.
6. mix own saltwater= more fun
7. special lightings are necessary for corals. approximately 6 hours a day for white and 8-10 hours a day for actinic.
8. chiller/heater, wavemakers, pumps, test kits, and mainly money
9. depends on the size of the tank
10.same as above
11.no, they aren't as long as you're willing to spend or learn and keep up with maintenance.
 
Hey guys, I am new to the saltwater tank hobby and was wondering if anyone could help me out. I have a few questions. I am purchasing my tank and supplies on craigslist to save money.

If at all possible, see the tank holding water before handing over any money.
Let the seller know in advance that you want to see it holding water, maybe they can wait to drain it if it's still up and running. Maybe they can fill it with a garden hose before you arrive and you can check for leaks when you get there. It can't hurt to ask, it can hurt to buy it only to find out it has a slow leak (onto your hardwood floors).

Good luck.
 
I would suggest you google every single question you just asked. I am only on my third reef setup, but every one has been different in almost every category. It all comes down to work and money. A bare bottom FOWLR tank with a skimmer and WCs would be supper easy but not ad much fun as a reef. The one thing that is easy to answer is go for a bigger tank. 55-90gal is a good start. There are room many variables to say there is one good set system/method to setting up a tank.

If you give us a better idea of budget, work your willing to do, and what you want in the tank we can give you a much better idea.
 
Thank you for the replies everyone. I am getting a lot of goof information and advice from you guys.

What about power heads? DO I need those in the tank?

My budget is about $300-$400. On craigslist, I find a lot of 30-55 gallon tanks with wet/dry filters. I am assuming I will be needing to buy the refugium? How much do they usually run for?

And I will have an additional $100-150 next month for fish and stuff when the water is cycled.

I found a ioCube HQI Aquarium, 29-Gallon for $200 with cycled water, but I kind of want a 55 gallon tank. What do you guys think? SHould I just get the biocube and settle for that? I like bigger though
 
you'll need powerheads/wavemakers for water flow in the tank. like most people said above, get the bigger tank. more water volume = more stability. if you settle with 29G tank, your fish selection will be very limited. minimum tank size requirements for marine fish are pretty big. i wouldn't want to get that cycled water either since you don't know what's in that water. you know about your tank more if you start from scratch.
 
i would go with a sump-refugium they can be as cheap as you want them to be really,2 best things about a sump is that you have more water volume and somewhere to put you skimmer heater etc. if your having any coral from softies to lps you will need power heads to keep up a good flow around the tank, personally i wouldn't go for anemones for a little while,get some softies and some experience first.
 
Thank you for the replies everyone. I am getting a lot of goof information and advice from you guys.

What about power heads? DO I need those in the tank?

My budget is about $300-$400. On craigslist, I find a lot of 30-55 gallon tanks with wet/dry filters. I am assuming I will be needing to buy the refugium? How much do they usually run for?

And I will have an additional $100-150 next month for fish and stuff when the water is cycled.

I found a ioCube HQI Aquarium, 29-Gallon for $200 with cycled water, but I kind of want a 55 gallon tank. What do you guys think? SHould I just get the biocube and settle for that? I like bigger though
$300-400 can't get you anything more than a nano tank, except if you're really lucky and follow CL all the time.
 
I found my 75 gal up and running with fish and live rock, canopy and stand, light, pump and power head on CL in the neighboring state for $350 complete. BUT the glass was a little scratched, the power head had a broken blade, the lights needed replacing, in short it was not perfect BUT I paid for the live rock and everything else came free! LoL
 
The first salt water aquarium is the most exciting!

Read a couple books like Robert Fenner's The Conscientious Marine Aquarist to get the big picture, learn the vocabulary and figure out what you can afford in time and money on this hobby.

Salt water aquariums are absolutely fascinating to own and care for but there are many opinions about the right way to do things. Learn what you can so you can tell the difference between the BS and the possibly correct approaches.
 
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