Fish selection

[vonohlen_1]

I have a new 90 gallon tank that I am setting up (will attach picture). Currently I have basic cuc and I am wanting to get fish now but I am wondering how many can fit and what kind I can safely have.

Currently I have 2 condy anemone and one other kind of anemone I don't know the name. I have 4 skunk shrimp 1 flame/fire shrimp 4 peppermint shrimp. I have about 20 hermit crabs and 10 cerith snail 2sleeper golden headed gobbies 10 Astraea snails.

I will be getting a pair of snowflake clowns. But I am on the fence about the next. Dwarf flame angel a blue or yellow tang smog type of fairy wrasse a butterfly fish a damselfish a fox face and a royal gamma basslet. Perfect world I would like all of that but since I am new that's why I am here.

Water levels are

Ammonia 0
Nitrate 0
Nitrite 0
Phosphates 0 ppm
Copper 0
Calcium about 450
Kh 25
Ph 8
Still 1.025

Let me know if I missed something. Thanks.

 

[Mcgeezer]

Is it a FOWLR or going to be a reef? If reef....you can't keep butterfly's other then a pyramid butterfly. I see anemones in your tank and most butterfly's will also munch on them.

Do NOT put any damsels in the tank. You will regret it.

2 clowns, fox face, royal gramma, fairy wrasse and probably one more mid sized fish would be your max. The fox face will get big FYI.

 

[vonohlen_1]

Any opinion on the dwarf angel

 

[vonohlen_1]

As well as the tang and it will be a reef.how big with the fox face be roughly

 

[Mcgeezer]

Dwarf angels are very hit and miss on reef tanks...they are with caution. A lot of people say that flame angels do ok...but tread lightly.

Fox faces can get up to 8-9", so basically it's either a fox face or a tang as your predominant large fish in the tank. The fox face will do a phenomenal job keeping any potential algae in check.

I have a yellow tang and I love him mainly because he was the most stellar/healthy fish I've ever seen and I couldn't help but buy him, but fox faces are just cool. Remember fox faces have venemous spines, so be very careful if cleaning your tank.

 

[Cujo13]

1. research here http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/aquarium-fish-supplies.cfm?c=15

2. compile a list

3.then post questions info here, Steve is the best at it. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2068112

4.have fun...:dance:

 

[Genera]

I have a new 90 gallon tank that I am setting up (will attach picture). Currently I have basic cuc and I am wanting to get fish now but I am wondering how many can fit and what kind I can safely have.

Currently I have 2 condy anemone and one other kind of anemone I don't know the name. I have 4 skunk shrimp 1 flame/fire shrimp 4 peppermint shrimp. I have about 20 hermit crabs and 10 cerith snail 2 sleeper golden headed gobies How deep is your sandbed? Those gobies sift the sand to eat, and gradually deplete the beneficial microfauna in the sandbed, in a sandbed deeper than 3in, this spells disaster.10 Astraea snails.

Pair of Snowflake Clowns - Amphiprion Ocellaris
Fine

Flame Angel - Centropyge Loricula
Fine, may nip at corals/polyps

Blue Tang - Paracanthurus Hepatus or Acanthurus Coeruleus
Both need a much bigger tank

Yellow Tang - Zebrasoma Flavescens
Needs a larger tank

Some Type of Fairy Wrasse - Genus Cirrhilabrus, or are you referring to Flasher Wrasses, the genus Paracheilinus?
Fine, jumpers so have a lid

Butterflyfish - Genera Chaetodon, Hemitaurichthys, Forcipiger, Prognathodes, Chelmon, Roa, Parachaetodon, Coradion, Amphichaetodon, Heniochus, Johnrandallia
Most will eat your anemones/corals/feather worms/polyps/etc, the ones that don't are still too big for your tank. The smaller ones usually only eat coral, and are not suitable for aquariums yet

Foxface - Genus Siganus
Needs a larger tank

Royal Gramma - Gramma Loreto
Fine, may defend his 'hidey place'

Water levels are

Ammonia 0
Nitrate 0
Nitrite 0
Phosphates 0 ppm
Copper 0
Calcium about 450
Kh 25
WOAH, your dKH is 25?! That's really high!
Ph 8
Try to bring your pH up to 8.3 or so
Still 1.025

 

[vonohlen_1]

I have about 4in sand
Dkh is 7
Kh is 125ish

 

[Mcgeezer]

If you want a flash of color, I'd suggest anthias.

Please understand anthias typically need to be fed at least 2x daily, and only eat meaty or planktonic foods. They can be housed singly and will do fine (like mine) however they thrive in groups.

I love my female lyretail...thinking about getting one more to see if one will morph into a male.

 

[Genera]

I have about 4in sand
Dkh is 7
Kh is 125ish

I'd give/sell those sand sifting gobies to your LFS or someone else ASAP, or get rid of some sand, leaving a sanbed of 1.5in or less. If you really have 4in of sand.
What a sand sifting goby or starfish can do to a deep sand bed. The black is hydrogen sulfide, which when released, will smell like rotten eggs and will kill basically everything.

Ok a dKH of 7 sounds a LOT better than 25 or 125 lol.

 

[malira]

No on the damsel. They are aggressive.
Gobies?
Yellow tang or purple tang would be fine in a 90g.
There are other small tangs that would do well also.
Dwarf angles like the bellus (expensive) and others in that family. The are reef safe with caution.

 

[vonohlen_1]

Knowing that about the gobies is there a way to supplement/avoid that problem without getting rid of them

 

[texdoc77]

Not a fan of damselfish, mine began nipping at my coral and just generally being a bully, though it was the smallest one in the tank. Gave it to my LFS. I generally avoid anything that is not reef safe and the fox face and flame angel can have issues with reef aquaria. Even if you "get a good one" that does not initially nip they might over time. I personally don't want the hassle of pulling it from the tank. Be careful on your tang selections especially when it comes to discussing it on RC as there are some VERY passionate opinions on what constitutes an appropriate sized tank. There are some tang's that would be fine in a 90 such as a Kole tang but that size is a grey area around the forums for a yellow. Personally i'd do it but that's just me. Consider a midas blenny or lawnmower blenny (but likely not both) or a firefish for some color and great personality.

 

[vonohlen_1]

Thanks a bunch so as for the gobby do I need to get rid of the 2 or is there a way to keep them if I have to get rid of them I will. But I like to try to accommodate for everything I buy. I bought an arrow crab and he is the exception to the try to keep everything when I come home and fine him with a hermit hanging outa his mouth.

 

[Shawn O]

Anything that eats the micro-fauna in your sand bed is not a great idea. That micro-fauna is going to keep your tank healthy.

 

[BleuFish]

if adding the flame angel add it after most of the other fish are in the tank and or last. I made that mistake and added mine first and he's getting too aggressive.

+ on the idea of adding a midas blenny. Make sure your tank is screened so fish can't jump out.

 

[Genera]

Yellow tang or purple tang would be fine in a 90g.
No
There are other small tangs that would do well also.
Tangs from Ctenochaetus are the farthest I'd go, but I personally think that is still pushing it
Genicanthus like the Bellus (expensive) and others in that family. They are coral and invert safe.
I wouldn't get any angelfish for a standard 90 gallon from any genus but Centropyge, which has many many species

Be careful on your tang selections especially when it comes to discussing it on RC as there are some VERY passionate opinions on what constitutes an appropriate sized tank. There are some tang's that would be fine in a 90 such as a Kole tang but that size is a grey area around the forums for a yellow. Personally i'd do it but that's just me. Consider a midas blenny or lawnmower blenny (but likely not both) or a firefish for some color and great personality. Tangs from the Genus Ctenochaetus would fit in a 90, but I personally woulnd't put any tang in anything less that 5ft x 2ft x 1ft of space.

Thanks a bunch so as for the goby do I need to get rid of the 2 or is there a way to keep them if I have to get rid of them I will. But I like to try to accommodate for everything I buy. I bought an arrow crab and he is the exception to the try to keep everything when I come home and fine him with a hermit hanging outa his mouth. Arrow crabs are terrors lol, they eat coral, fish, snails, and anything and everything they can catch and eat. I hate giving away fish but I think that would be your best option in your situation.

Anything that eats the micro-fauna in your sand bed is not a great idea. That micro-fauna is going to keep your tank healthy.+1, depending on the microfauna it eats, say a mandarin is fine if you have a large constant supply of copepods, and copepods don't have really any significant benefit to a reef tank IME, other than eating tiny amounts of detritus, and being fish food, while the organisms the sand that sifting gobies and stars eat is beneficial to the sandbed.

 

[vonohlen_1]

My arrow crab is gone I felt bad but I didn't want to take the risk.. I was asking about the gobbies. But it's looking like the general consensus is to get rid of them correct me if I am wrong. So if/when I get rid of them what should I get for the sand?

 

[Genera]

My arrow crab is gone I felt bad but I didn't want to take the risk.. I was asking about the gobbies. But it's looking like the general consensus is to get rid of them correct me if I am wrong. So if/when I get rid of them what should I get for the sand?

A Fighting or Hawking Conch, a large group of Dwarf Cerith Snails (Cerithium Sp.), and a small group of Nassarius Snails (Nassarius Vibex). This combination keeps my sandbed sparkling, and they don't eat any beneficial organisms. The conch eats lots of diatoms and algae, the dwarf ceriths eat the detritus and small pieces of algae, and the nassarius eat detritus and things that died in or on the sandbed, aiding in the process of stopping hydrogen sulfide forming, along with extremely various microfauna keeping it healthy such as bristle worms, peanut worms, spaghetti worms, tiny isopods, copepods, amphipods, tiny shrimp, etc, etc. Worms are the key to deep sandbeds in my previous tanks, but I don't have any in my tank right now, even at night, and I need to go get a piece of live rock that has been sitting in the ocean for a few years ASAP.