Flash Q and accessories

Rhizo

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Wondering if you guys can chime some help in. A while back somebody posted about a charger for flash batteries. I cant find the link, but wanted to order one right now. Ohh and if possible what batteries are recommended? I'm not big on battery specs. Sorry about my lack of knowledge here.

Any input on a flash recommended? (Nothing major like weddings just house indoors) I have been messing around with a loaner, and really enjoy it so far. This one
 
As far as flash advice goes, the only flash I have used extensively is a 430 EX II and I been very pleased with the results from it.

On to the batteries. The charger was La Crosse Technology BC-9009 AlphaPower. Here is a link to the one originally given (with some batteries included):
http://www.amazon.com/Crosse-Technology-BC-9009-AlphaPower-Battery/dp/B00077AA5Q/ref=pd_bxgy_p_img_b

I personally recently bought this charger based on the recommendations of this forum....and wow, am I impressed. It is a great unit, lots of features, but will require an instructions read for some small details (for example if your charging faster than the standard 200ma, then you need to put the highest charge rate in the first slot). I am quite pleased with the refresh mode, as well as the test mode to check capacity.

But I did not buy the unit linked, I purchased the one with just the charger, then purchased my own batteries to use in my flash:
http://www.amazon.com/Crosse-Techno...2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1262543931&sr=8-2

Then I picked up two packs of eneloop rechargeable batteries. I picked up these because of a nice 2000mAh capacity, as well as being produced by a reputable name (sanyo). These batteries include the technology to retain their charge over long term storage (up to a year). So I have one set of batteries inside the flash, and one set in the bag for backups.

I have been quite pleased with my flash performance with these batteries. But I also purchased some sanyo 2700mAh batteries. These batteries wont hold their charge in storage. I purchased these only because I was not sure about the performance of the other batteries, and wanted something higher capacity I could throw into the flash right before use. These were probably not needed, but if you want something that has a higher capacity but not as long of storage life, these 2700mAh batteries seem to be good. Currently I am using the charger to verify the capacity of these batteries, but I am not expecting any surprises since the eneloops were all close to rated specifications.

Hope that helps, let me know if you have any questions. I did a bit of research before deciding on my battery selections for my flash.
 
Jent,

Awesome! Thanks! I just finished ordering a 700 model with two packs of AA's. I took up on your recommendation on the 2000mAh capacity batteries.

What charge setting do you set it at? I read mixed reviews about using 200mA and 500mA. Sort of made my head hurt after a while. lol

Thanks again :thumbsup:
 
i been using the 200mA setting.....but I am curious as to what you read about why a higher charge rate would be good (beyond just being faster). Do you have any links?
 
I did not save any links, but I think I'll just leave the 200mA setting as well. Had something like 50 windows open claiming 200 is better/500 is better. Some person went on rambling about a .5C-1C charge rate? I don't have the slightest clue as to what that meant?

Again, hats off to you for bringing up the charger name. I would have purchased a cheapo charger that came included with the batteries.
 
rhizo,

So....200ma vs 500ma....that's the question, and I am a nerd so I did quite a bit of research on it. I am going to try and sum a few things up, and I am bad at generalizing, but here it goes.

First some background, I don't know if you know how a charger detects when a battery is 100% full or not. But basically when the battery is charging the voltage will go up and up and up, until it is fully charged where it will have a negative voltage delta. At which point the charger should stop charging as soon as this happens, and go into trickle.

Second, it is important to note that C and ma are not directly correlated across different batteries. The C value is based on the ma and the capacity of the battery. I will explain my recommendations later (even though I am not qualified, nor do I have any reasons for you to listen to me).

Now why 500ma? It is because that with 200ma that negative delta may be very small. Because your charging so slow, the charger may struggle to sense this small negative change. And thus continue to charge, until failure (or overvoltage detection).

Apparently on further reading the BC-900 charger linked at the top has reports of melting down. Although I have heard conflicting reasons (some say it could not detect the voltage delta at 200ma with high capacity batteries, ie 2500mAh or higher, some seem to report the problem with using the 1000ma charge rate). And the BC-700 was introduced in the market as a temporary fix for the problem (which is why my charger can only charge at 700ma, and i did not even know the other model could do higher). The BC-900 should now be fixed of these problems. There is an additional safety feature which will cause it to stop charging at a particular voltage (i think i read it was like 1.55volts), because the charger assumes that at that point it has just missed the negative delta voltage.

(on a slightly seperate topic, it seems most cheap chargers avoid these problems by: having a low charge rate, so that the heat stays low...and then having a low over voltage cut off (even as low as 1.45 volts) so that it is safe to assume it misses the negative delta, but can remain safe....the end result is a battery with about 70 to 90% of it's possible charge, and wont last even close to the life as when used on a good charger)

More confusion:
As cells age, they need a higher charge rate to detect this negative delta. And additionally some have evidence to show that too slow of a charge rate may not even fully charge a cell (meaning the negative delta was detected too early somehow, i have no idea how this could happen).

So, a lot of long winded answers, and what did I personally decide? Well with the 2700mAh sanyo, should always be charged with 500ma or higher. With the lower capacity 2000mAh eneloop's 200 or 500ma is probably fine when they are newer, but you may not be getting the most of the battery, and as they age the risk of not detecting the negative voltage is higher.

So I plan to always use 500mAh on my AA's, and use the 200mAh on AAA's since their capacity is much lower. Based on what I read the 500 (and some even argue that is too low, and you should be staying closer to the industry recommendations of about 1000ma for a 2500mAh battery) is probably the safest bet. Less likely to overheat than 700 or 1000ma, and yet your more likely to get a good charge and detect the voltage drop.

Let me know if you have any questions, I feel like I understand this stuff decently enough, but I probably did a terrible job explaining it.

Oh, and anyone else that see's this thread in the future, check out this charger:
http://www.amazon.com/Maha-Powerex-...1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1262642413&sr=8-1

That charger seems to have several benefits over the alpha charger. Including that on the charger/discharge cycle it pauses for one hour after the charge before it starts the discharge. This is the industry accepted procedure, vs the alpha which immediately starts to discharge. And in addition this charger seems to do some slightly different techniques once it detects a negative voltage delta (instead of going immediately into trickle, it drops the charge rate to 100mAh for a bit, then trickles, testing by a few forum users has shown that this produces a higher charged battery, no comments on safety, but I did not ear any complaints about this procedure).
 
More reading.....(someone should take the internet away from me)....

it seems that the alpha chargers linked in my first post are particularly good at detecting the negative delta...and many people find no problems with this specific charger and using the 200ma setting. Where with the other charger I linked, it seems to be not quite as good, where a higher rate is definitely recommended (and the manufacture on that charger actually sets the default, and recommends a 1000ma charge for a 2500mAh battery, and they specifically sight the negative delta detection).

It wont change my new found recommendations of using the 500ma charge rate for my AA's on the laCross charger though. But it helps explain why the default on the alpha charger is 200ma and the default on the maha is 1000ma.
 
I have been using the La Crosse charger for awhile. I may have been the one who recommended it to you, I don't recall. Anyway I'm pretty fixed w/ my routine with it, any time batteries go in I change the mode to discharge, they automatically recharge once they have been fully discharged. I never use any charge rate other than the default. I prefer the Sanyo 2700mah over the Eneloops but use both.

With regards to the flash, I'm not all that familiar with the Metz. They are known to be good strobes. I believe the 48 is comparable with Canon's 430ex. You might want to compare features against the 550ex which you can pick up used for $200-225 typically and is a very nice strobe.
 
maybe it is just me or where i am looking, but i have not seen a used 550ex for 200-225...cheapest i think i have seen that flash for is around 275 and up
 
Are you looking on eBay or places such as forums for photographers? I picked up my second 550ex on FM for $200 and it included an Omni bounce.


edit: there are a couple listed there now for $215 and $228. Someone else there just closed a WTB thread for two of them for $200 ea... I think you are looking in the wrong places :)
 
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