Flukes tryed using Copper 4days not working
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I would suggest a series of FW dips over the next 48-72 hours. Start out with a dip about every 12-18 hours or so decreasing frequency as you continue treatment. Dip your fish into dechlorinated tap water or RO water with enough baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) to elevate the pH to 8.3. Leave them for several minutes making sure to remove them if they show extreme signs of stress. Then remove them and place them back into their original tank (the hospital tank).
For more specifics on FW dipping see this article: http://saltaquarium.about.com/od/hyposalinity/ht/ht_fwbath.htm
Copper does nothing for flukes except stress the fish (copper being a poison). So I would do water changes to remove as much of the copper as possible.
For more specifics on FW dipping see this article: http://saltaquarium.about.com/od/hyposalinity/ht/ht_fwbath.htm
Copper does nothing for flukes except stress the fish (copper being a poison). So I would do water changes to remove as much of the copper as possible.
Jake,
FW dips alone will not eliminate egg-laying flukes such as Neobenedenia, and rarely eliminate livebearing flukes. Same thing for formalin baths. The most effective treament is Praziquantel at 0.20 ppm for 10 days, followed by a water change and a second treatment/water change.
Home aquarists (as was pointed out) have been having good success with Prazi pro.
Jay
FW dips alone will not eliminate egg-laying flukes such as Neobenedenia, and rarely eliminate livebearing flukes. Same thing for formalin baths. The most effective treament is Praziquantel at 0.20 ppm for 10 days, followed by a water change and a second treatment/water change.
Home aquarists (as was pointed out) have been having good success with Prazi pro.
Jay
Jay,
You mentioned, "...followed by a water change and a second treatment/water change".
I'd like to understand how quickly Praziquantel decomposes. If you initially medicate at 0.20 ppm, what would be the concentration after 10 days? (This would help me understand the necessary water change to keep the concentration at 0.20 ppm).
Have you had experience in concurrently medicating with CHloroquine and Prazipro? If so, could you elaborate on both your espoused methodology and/or your first-hand experience on this type of practice? (For incoming fish, I will treat them with Chloroquine at a concentration of 0.15 PPM over 30 days. The problem is that Chloroquine is not effective against flukes, so I have to concurrently also treat with Prazipro.) My concern and basis for the question above is that Chloroquine is a heavy metal and Prazipro is an organic, and one is not supposed to combine the two. (That being said, it appears that Copper is combined with Prazipro without any toxic reaction).
You mentioned, "...followed by a water change and a second treatment/water change".
I'd like to understand how quickly Praziquantel decomposes. If you initially medicate at 0.20 ppm, what would be the concentration after 10 days? (This would help me understand the necessary water change to keep the concentration at 0.20 ppm).
Have you had experience in concurrently medicating with CHloroquine and Prazipro? If so, could you elaborate on both your espoused methodology and/or your first-hand experience on this type of practice? (For incoming fish, I will treat them with Chloroquine at a concentration of 0.15 PPM over 30 days. The problem is that Chloroquine is not effective against flukes, so I have to concurrently also treat with Prazipro.) My concern and basis for the question above is that Chloroquine is a heavy metal and Prazipro is an organic, and one is not supposed to combine the two. (That being said, it appears that Copper is combined with Prazipro without any toxic reaction).
1geo
1geo
Below is a writeup I did for another post, it may be helpful to your situation. If your fish have Brooklynella then copper treatment will not work; only Formalin will get rid of Brook.
Read up on Brook and Ich. Brooklynella is a parasite that has very similar symptoms to Ich which includes Marine Velvet are also parasites. Brook is treated with Formalin and Ich is treated with copper. Some of the symptoms are rapid swimming, swimming at the top of the tank and gasping for air, fading color especially in the head area, sometimes spots on the body but not always, sometimes lesions on the body but not always. Slim on the body and head. Brook can take your fish especially if its stressed out in a matter of days, Ich takes a little longer but it too will kill. If one fish in your tank has either of these parasites then ALL of you fish have the parasite even if they exhibit no symptoms and have to be treated or eventually they will die. That means setting up a treatment tank with copper in it and giving them Formalin dips. The tank the fish came out of also has the parasite in it and all of the fish have to be removed from the tank for a six week period to stop the life cycle of the parasite. Ich eggs are in the bottom of your tank and can lay there dormant for up to six weeks. Brook "swimmers" are in your water and live for up to four weeks without a host. When Ich eggs hatch they have to find a fish host or they will die. After six weeks the tank is safe for new occupants. Get on Google and read and read and read some more about these parasites and how to treat them and do it now before you lose all of your clowns and your other fish. Remember there is no one day cure, no one chemical cure; these parasites are difficult to get rid of so from now one, QT any new arrivals for at least 3 weeks or you may get stung again.
Read up on Brook and Ich. Brooklynella is a parasite that has very similar symptoms to Ich which includes Marine Velvet are also parasites. Brook is treated with Formalin and Ich is treated with copper. Some of the symptoms are rapid swimming, swimming at the top of the tank and gasping for air, fading color especially in the head area, sometimes spots on the body but not always, sometimes lesions on the body but not always. Slim on the body and head. Brook can take your fish especially if its stressed out in a matter of days, Ich takes a little longer but it too will kill. If one fish in your tank has either of these parasites then ALL of you fish have the parasite even if they exhibit no symptoms and have to be treated or eventually they will die. That means setting up a treatment tank with copper in it and giving them Formalin dips. The tank the fish came out of also has the parasite in it and all of the fish have to be removed from the tank for a six week period to stop the life cycle of the parasite. Ich eggs are in the bottom of your tank and can lay there dormant for up to six weeks. Brook "swimmers" are in your water and live for up to four weeks without a host. When Ich eggs hatch they have to find a fish host or they will die. After six weeks the tank is safe for new occupants. Get on Google and read and read and read some more about these parasites and how to treat them and do it now before you lose all of your clowns and your other fish. Remember there is no one day cure, no one chemical cure; these parasites are difficult to get rid of so from now one, QT any new arrivals for at least 3 weeks or you may get stung again.
