Found a Griffis Angel thru my LFS...Should I consider it?

[ghstrider]

I got a call that my LFS has a supplier with one in stock. Unknown price and size. He was gonna check on it for me but should I consider it? I was kinda sold on the blueline and found a juvie in the mid 200s so now im torn. Whats a recent good price for the Griffis? Ive seen them in the 200s and up to 600 bucks...Whats the going rate now and are they pretty hardy? Anyone have one?

 

[roktsintst]

You should consider it if you like it. If you like the Blueline better then go for that. I personally like the blueline better, but I do think the Griffs are neat.

 

[flying53brian]

ghstrider,

You actually found a Juvi Blueline? I just want to let you know that they are pretty easy to acclimate and start eating fairly quick.

Good Luck with your choice!

Brian

 

[ghstrider]

Yeah i found one brian so i think thats my best bet. I love the colors of the blueline but im a sucker for the rare and unusual like the griffs. I think im sticking with the blueline but im intrigued with the griffs. Im gonna get size and pricing to help me make a better decision.

 

[Cantonesefish]

You already have a Chaetodontoplus so it might be fun to mix it up a bit with an Apolemichthys

 

[flying53brian]

LOL, you and I both ghstrider. Something about the rare and unusual! I also tend to like the challenge of the ones that don't normally like to eat in captivity.

Let us know which you end up with.

 

[snorvich]

What guarantee?

 

[ghstrider]

What guarantee?

What guarantee are you talking about? If I buy the Blueline I get a guarantee but if I buy the Griffs then most likely no guarantee since its from my LFS. Its a bigger gamble and thats why the price would have to be appealing.

 

[flameangel88]

I love the colors of the blueline but im a sucker for the rare and unusual like the griffs. I think im sticking with the blueline but im intrigued with the griffs. Im gonna get size and pricing to help me make a better decision.

If it's rarity I'm totally with you but I think going with the BL is a better choice for long term success. I don't recall seeing more than 2 long term success on this fish here on RC (hope others with chime in here). The griffis is from deeper water and require lower temp. I see very limited availability therefore finding a healthy specimen is very difficult and even a 15 days live guarantee is not long enough on this particular fish. When it comes to deep water fish I look at the reputation of the vendor more than the price. I've seen the griffis go for $299-549 in 2008-2009.

btw--I think you'll have better luck finding a healthy Bandit than a griffis.

 

[AuroraDrvr]

I really dislike when people let guarantees get in the way of obtaining fish he/she likes.

Get what you like. Worry about guarantees second. Especially considering it is an LFS, you'll be able to see the fish in person before you commit to it.

 

[pacislandaqua]

griffis do really well when adapted. more than likely it will be 5"+. the smallest one i have ever seen was 3"... and it was super awesome!

i personally, think griffisi are rather ugly and clumsy looking, especially when they get big (which they do!!!) ... but they have this weird appeal to them... lol one of those fish i guess..

But when they say unknown price and size, 99% it will be 6" and atleast 450$ minimum.

 

[snorvich]

I really dislike when people let guarantees get in the way of obtaining fish he/she likes.

Get what you like. Worry about guarantees second. Especially considering it is an LFS, you'll be able to see the fish in person before you commit to it.

And I really dislike buying from vendors who do not have any guarantee. I hate rebuying fish because they are less than healthy.

 

[sslak]

I don't know of a LFS anywhere near me that offers any promise.

Once you walk out the door, the fish is yours. Good luck!

I am also afraid to order online as the weather here in Wisconsin can be pretty unforgiving...and I'd have a hard time being off work.

 

[AuroraDrvr]

And I really dislike buying from vendors who do not have any guarantee. I hate rebuying fish because they are less than healthy.

Steve,

As a example, say your favorite fish is a Pseudojuloides atavai.

We know you're a devout LA/DD person, we've seen plenty of your posts. If an LFS by you got a Pseudojuloides atavai in stock, that LA/DD has never had in stock and it was healthy as a horse, eating, etc. Because they did not offer a guarantee you would turn it down?

 

[snorvich]

Steve,

As a example, say your favorite fish is a Pseudojuloides atavai.

We know you're a devout LA/DD person, we've seen plenty of your posts. If an LFS by you got a Pseudojuloides atavai in stock, that LA/DD has never had in stock and it was healthy as a horse, eating, etc. Because they did not offer a guarantee you would turn it down?

Actually, I buy from vendors other than LA/DD but infrequently for a variety of reasons including their guarantee (type and duration; no store credit that expires, for example), the SG that they ship fish to me (1.025 is what I require), and the fish must be WYSIWYG. Pseudojuloides atavai is a low probability of survival fish at best. If I were interested in this particular fish, I would ask Kevin to acquire it for me, have him acclimate it, and then pay a premium for it via DD in order to get him to share the risk. I have bought fish from my LFS but infrequently; when I do, I have them acclimate the fish for me and assume risk along with myself. Since I rarely have fish die, I rarely buy additional fish since there is a very finite number of fish I can house appropriately. But in a LFS, you are sharing water with a lot of other fish; not for me if I can avoid doing so. But my primary reason for not buying from LFS is that they, by the nature of their business model, are forced to bring in fish that they are likely to have customers for. Pseudojuloides atavai is not a fish that many LFS would bring in because the odds of selling it are so poor.

 

[snorvich]

But, I am not advocating for LA/DD. I am only saying what I would do. I learned early on that cheap fish are exactly that. I don't want to have to replace fish so I do it right the first time.

 

[MrTuskfish]

But, I am not advocating for LA/DD. I am only saying what I would do. I learned early on that cheap fish are exactly that. I don't want to have to replace fish so I do it right the first time.

I've bought all my fish online for years, for the reasons you've put so well in your posts. The guarantee is a great part of buying from LA/DD/BZ, etc.---their commitment to making customers happy is something rarely seen anymore.

BTW, I sure see nothing wrong with a guarantee influencing a fish purchase. A lot of folks are on much tighter budgets than others. Good guarantees sell a lot of cars, what's the difference?

 

[snorvich]

I've bought all my fish online for years, for the reasons you've put so well in your posts. The guarantee is a great part of buying from LA/DD/BZ, etc.---their commitment to making customers happy is something rarely seen anymore.

BTW, I sure see nothing wrong with a guarantee influencing a fish purchase. A lot of folks are on much tighter budgets than others. Good guarantees sell a lot of cars, what's the difference?

Well in some cases, with expensive fish, and not so wealthy hobbyists, guarantees gives some sense of reassurance. I know that for automobiles it is a very important part of my purchase decision.

 

[AuroraDrvr]

Actually, I buy from vendors other than LA/DD but infrequently for a variety of reasons including their guarantee (type and duration; no store credit that expires, for example), the SG that they ship fish to me (1.025 is what I require), and the fish must be WYSIWYG. But in a LFS, you are sharing water with a lot of other fish; not for me if I can avoid doing so. But my primary reason for not buying from LFS is that they, by the nature of their business model, are forced to bring in fish that they are likely to have customers for.

So, to sum up a big post, pretty much the answer would be, no you would not buy the fish and you would pass on it, because you would be afraid of loosing a [relatively] small investment.

If I were interested in this particular fish, I would ask Kevin to acquire it for me, have him acclimate it, and then pay a premium for it via DD in order to get him to share the risk.

You do understand, that not every person is able to simply drop Kevin a line, ask for XX fish, in which LA/DD will bring it in, and give it the DD treatment, correct? There are a number of various species which I have never seen, nor expect to see on LA/DD.

Pseudojuloides atavai is a low probability of survival fish at best. Pseudojuloides atavai is not a fish that many LFS would bring in because the odds of selling it are so poor.

I understand the characteristics of the Pseudojuloides genus. It was merely an example of a fish that is very unlike to be seen in the trade, but may have the slender chance of slipping into a trans-shipped order at an LFS.

 

[murdoch LFC]

Well in some cases, with expensive fish, and not so wealthy hobbyists, guarantees gives some sense of reassurance. I know that for automobiles it is a very important part of my purchase decision.

Its a while seen i have seen somebody write automobile instead of car,and i think its unfair to compare cars and fish in that way regarding warranties:beer:Being nossy what do you drive:beer:
john