Freedom From LFS Question 2
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Satori
Cancer Sucks
With this question, Skip always comes to mind. (Pyhrus in FRAG forum)
I think he does an excellent job of staying unbiased. If there is a controversy going on about ATR, he tends to not even post in that thread. For the most part, anyway.
With that said, he offers solid advice and is a great help to anyone on the forum.
I think he does an excellent job of staying unbiased. If there is a controversy going on about ATR, he tends to not even post in that thread. For the most part, anyway.
With that said, he offers solid advice and is a great help to anyone on the forum.
lovelylinda
Premium Member
I'm interested in everyone's opinion. I've gotten a lot of great advice and support here and in the shops, from pros and hobbyists alike.
AZreefkeeper
In Memoriam
Even professionals are still learning in this hobby as it changes all the time with new techniques and equipment. I believe as long as its unbiased, there is no harm.
kscrimshaw
New member
I appreciate any input I get from the pros, though I realize that they are not necessarily the absolute experts. I just weigh their input a little differently, just like I weigh the input of a seasoned hobbyist a little more than that of a newbie. (No offense to any newbies out there!)
What I don't know is how anyone's input can be "unbiased and objective." An opinion is by definition biased and subjective, and advice is just an opinion on how to handle something. I don't think it's appropriate for any professional to be trying to sell anything on these forums, but I don't think that's what the problem has been.
The issue here seems to be the response that an LFS owner posted to a public statement. Maybe he didn't respond in the best way, but I don't necessarily think it was appropriate to post the problem in a public forum in the first place. A better approach might have been to call, PM, or email him directly and allow him a chance to respond to the situation first. Then if he didn't respond or rectify, you have every right to blast him all over the place!
What I don't know is how anyone's input can be "unbiased and objective." An opinion is by definition biased and subjective, and advice is just an opinion on how to handle something. I don't think it's appropriate for any professional to be trying to sell anything on these forums, but I don't think that's what the problem has been.
The issue here seems to be the response that an LFS owner posted to a public statement. Maybe he didn't respond in the best way, but I don't necessarily think it was appropriate to post the problem in a public forum in the first place. A better approach might have been to call, PM, or email him directly and allow him a chance to respond to the situation first. Then if he didn't respond or rectify, you have every right to blast him all over the place!
cerreta
Premium Member
Karen, none of us were upset over the issue!!! None of us! I clearly stated that in the details. I was trying to be careful writing this information not to offend anyone, but obviuosly failed.
We thought the events just made the day more memorable. And I was merely stating the events of the project. Nothing more. We had no intentions of contacting Rob to address the problem because we did not care about it.
The issue became heated when Rob took personal offense to the issue and insisted that the water was in fact RO water. Basically he denied that their was anything wrong with the water, and this was insulting to me. So I proved it by testing the water and posting the details.
I was and still am upset over the fact the he did not accept responsibility for the poor water quality and instead blamed me for the incident. Like its my fault for buying it.
I don't get it.
We thought the events just made the day more memorable. And I was merely stating the events of the project. Nothing more. We had no intentions of contacting Rob to address the problem because we did not care about it.
The issue became heated when Rob took personal offense to the issue and insisted that the water was in fact RO water. Basically he denied that their was anything wrong with the water, and this was insulting to me. So I proved it by testing the water and posting the details.
I was and still am upset over the fact the he did not accept responsibility for the poor water quality and instead blamed me for the incident. Like its my fault for buying it.
I don't get it.
kscrimshaw
New member
OK, I'm glad to hear that you're not upset about it. But just as an outsider's perspective, I didn't get the impression that he was blaming you for anything. I hope you guys can kiss and make up and get over this!
cerreta
Premium Member
Thanks Karen it's nice to see an outside perspective, because I think we are both at a standstill on our perspectives. I felt like I was getting blamed for sharing a story that I should have freedom to do so, and he still believes that the water is ok and wants to have it tested to prove it. But I'm glad to hear someone say its just me.
I just don't get how a TDS of 500 is ok. Even if it was only caused by the tank deposits its not ok. TDS is the overall indicator of water purity. RO/DI should be less than 50ppm TDS PERIOD!
Thanks for sharing this, but I think we are beyond rapair at this stage.
I just don't get how a TDS of 500 is ok. Even if it was only caused by the tank deposits its not ok. TDS is the overall indicator of water purity. RO/DI should be less than 50ppm TDS PERIOD!
Thanks for sharing this, but I think we are beyond rapair at this stage.
SWSaltwater
New member
Scott,
I respect your opinions fully, but what makes the TDS go up does play in to acount IMO. If it was nitrates, copper, iron, etc. I would agree with all you have said. Difference in opinion is what a board like this is all about. The fact is your writing gave the impression "to me" that I was doing it intentionally as if I fill tanks with garden hoses. I take full blame for the TDS in that water and I wish I had just said I am out of water and left it at that. I detected minor salinity in it probably due to the original use of that tank so I guess I needed to rinse it out a bit more, so I will deliver all new Saltwater to Turbosnail if needed. All he has to do is say the word.
The TDS on my main RO Tank (Water used to fill that tank originally) is at 007 using a milwaukee TDS meter model T75. I think Karen can attest to that number. Linda saw it at 012 but I think it was calibrated wrong at that time.
Now as far as "What makes a professional". Anyone that decides to sell frags for money is a pro. I don't recall ever selling a coral before owning this shop. If a friend or fellow reefer wanted a frag of something that I had a lot of, I would give it to them. I still give frags away to "friends". I recall giving a pink birdsnest to you Scott not long ago from my home tank.
Yes I am in this business to make money (at least stay afloat) because I bet my kids future and the roof over their head when I bought this place. I will say this, the auctions have some crazy prices for the frag sizes you get, so its not a profit source form me. I thought it was a nice way to get stuff that is hard to find and meet new people. I guess now that I am the "debil" store owner I can no longer attend. The Tort I got from OWSI died (my fault it fell over in the tank onto a ACAN while I was in San Carlos). I never sold a frag I got at an auction. What I buy is for my addiction as primarily a hobbyist(the other Item I got was xenia from MSM and it also died). I told countless people "NO" when asked to buy that blue Tort as well. I also only sold a few peices of the coral I bought from Roll221 because it was making a few regulars mad at my repeated refusals to sell. They are still on my case for the large table top but that is for my show tank only. Partly my fault for being so slow at getting the show tank up and running and leaving these in a for sale tank.
I hold no grudges it seems like my blunt writing stlye and your style did not mix is all.
Rob
I respect your opinions fully, but what makes the TDS go up does play in to acount IMO. If it was nitrates, copper, iron, etc. I would agree with all you have said. Difference in opinion is what a board like this is all about. The fact is your writing gave the impression "to me" that I was doing it intentionally as if I fill tanks with garden hoses. I take full blame for the TDS in that water and I wish I had just said I am out of water and left it at that. I detected minor salinity in it probably due to the original use of that tank so I guess I needed to rinse it out a bit more, so I will deliver all new Saltwater to Turbosnail if needed. All he has to do is say the word.
The TDS on my main RO Tank (Water used to fill that tank originally) is at 007 using a milwaukee TDS meter model T75. I think Karen can attest to that number. Linda saw it at 012 but I think it was calibrated wrong at that time.
Now as far as "What makes a professional". Anyone that decides to sell frags for money is a pro. I don't recall ever selling a coral before owning this shop. If a friend or fellow reefer wanted a frag of something that I had a lot of, I would give it to them. I still give frags away to "friends". I recall giving a pink birdsnest to you Scott not long ago from my home tank.
Yes I am in this business to make money (at least stay afloat) because I bet my kids future and the roof over their head when I bought this place. I will say this, the auctions have some crazy prices for the frag sizes you get, so its not a profit source form me. I thought it was a nice way to get stuff that is hard to find and meet new people. I guess now that I am the "debil" store owner I can no longer attend. The Tort I got from OWSI died (my fault it fell over in the tank onto a ACAN while I was in San Carlos). I never sold a frag I got at an auction. What I buy is for my addiction as primarily a hobbyist(the other Item I got was xenia from MSM and it also died). I told countless people "NO" when asked to buy that blue Tort as well. I also only sold a few peices of the coral I bought from Roll221 because it was making a few regulars mad at my repeated refusals to sell. They are still on my case for the large table top but that is for my show tank only. Partly my fault for being so slow at getting the show tank up and running and leaving these in a for sale tank.
I hold no grudges it seems like my blunt writing stlye and your style did not mix is all.
Rob
SWSaltwater
New member
BTW, I saw the last sell frags, trade, or give free debate, no need to stir that pot again. I can see points on all sides of that debate.
Rob
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