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lights off for 3 days shouldnt affect anything in my opinion...no water flow will, was there something that would have done that while you were gone?

i had my lights off for almost 2 weeks when i transitioned everything into my 90....but then again, i did have the tank near a window...now if what i thought was wrong, then maybe i was lucky
 
No the flow should have been good. I really don't know. Going to check all parameters tonight and see what they say. I will post them on here. I mean it is just crazy how this nano has done. The pico is doing okay. I used it for some of the corals that were not looking good. They came back strong so i moved them into the nano for a few days after a water change. They are back in bad shape. Parameters were acceptable when i moved them back in. I am thinking of putting everything in the pico for now until i can get the 29 up and running. Then just see if i can turn the nano into a sump. Is that possible? Any opinions.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13600725#post13600725 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gsusfreak
lights off for 3 days shouldnt affect anything in my opinion...no water flow will, was there something that would have done that while you were gone?

i had my lights off for almost 2 weeks when i transitioned everything into my 90....but then again, i did have the tank near a window...now if what i thought was wrong, then maybe i was lucky

You know what John, come to think of it. When I moved my tanks I didn't have my lights on one of the tanks for like a week. But I think I had the blinds open. I don't remember, but my corals were okay. Some did suffer a little, but not really. But in the bowfront, my corals weren't happy at all without their light for just 3 days or so. Some of the polyps on the zoanthids just fell off the colony and the rest was closing up pretty good. Lost a few, hoping they would recover, but one of my rics isn't doing so good. Hoping it would open back up. So I guess it just depends on your tank? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Did water test last night. Red Sea test kit. ALK 1.8-2.8, PH 8.2, Ammonium 0, nitrite 0 nitrate 0 salinity 1.022. Woke up this morning and some stuff still looks like it is melting away. I think i am going to move what is left into my pico for little while until i can get this 29 up and running. I mean why would my stuff still be dying off . I know my parameters have not been out of wack all week with a water change as soon as i noticed something was wrong. Which was last wed night. And another one on Sunday. Should it not have started turning around. I even moved some of the corals that were almost dead last wed night into my pico and they had started to recover and look normal which took about 3 days. Put them back in the nano and they started dying in about 2 days. WHY? Anyone have any ideas on this. This is the most detail i remember of the last week. Any help please.
 
what measure is your alk in? It should be in the 7-10 dkH range, if that's dkH, that's really low. That's still a bit low for meq/l also, which should be 2.5-2.5meq/l.

Raise your salinity about .001 a day by adding some salt to your topoff water.
 
okay so to raise that alk how do i do that? There was a buffer that the test kit came with should i just use that? And secondly if the alk is low what can be the cause of it i don't want to just add a buffer i would rather fix an underlying problem. That makes sense to me. And to raise the salinity i just add salt to my top off water or just top off with some salt water. No i just use a salinity test with the float thing in it so i don't have a one of the good ones. So i might be right there not exact though. No maybe i am starting to get to an underlying problem here though. So any thoughts on moving the stuff into the pico until i get this thing stabilized?
 
The buffer should work to bring up alkalinity into the 2.5-4.0 meq/L range (most reefers aim for near the top of that range because alk is used up by stony corals and some other reef animals). If that kit is reading dKH, then your alk is SUPER low. When you dose it, just make sure you are dosing the appropriate amount of it. I find the reef chemistry calculator to be helpful in this.

http://home.comcast.net/~jdieck1/chem_calc3.html

With that in mind, I'm wondering what test kit you are using. If it is reading a range (as it seems it is) you might want to think about getting a better kit (if not now, at least the next time around). The three test kits that are worth really investing the majority of your test kit budget on are calcium, alkalinity, and magnesium since they are the three things you will need to test for regularly (especially if you add more stony corals).

To raise salinity I honestly just slowly add salt directly to the aquarium in a high flow area and only a little bit at a time (so you don't overshoot your mark). With a nano it might be a good idea to make a high salinity solution so that the salt is already dissolved. Honestly 1.022 isn't that bad at all, but it could be contributing slightly to the low alk problem, so you should fix it. Don't add salt to your topoff unless you can easily get it back out and will be able to monitor when you reach your set point.

Now, fixing the underlying alk problem.

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/nov2002/chem.htm

That article quickly mentions magnesium, which you should also read up on.

Since it sounds like your tank should be pretty low demand as far as calcium and alkalinity (and I'll assume you are doing relatively regular water changes), your tank water should not have too much of a chance to change a whole lot from the water you are doing your water changes with (if this was a dirty water problem, your alk might be low, but I would also expect your pH to be running low and 8.2 is pretty much right where you want to be). So, my guess on the culprit (again assuming you are doing regular water changes) is that your salt mix is low in alkalinity to begin with.

Oceanic salt runs relatively high on Calcium and low on alkalinity, so my shot in the dark guess is that you are using Oceanic salt or getting your water from the Aquatic Critter (I am fairly sure they use Oceanic salt). If that is the case, plan to adjust the alkalinity each time you mix up water. If that isn't the case, you should at least verify the levels of your mix-up water so you know if it is actually the tank that is using up the alk. If you're mixing your own water, you might try using a mix of instant ocean and oceanic (50/50), which should give you a salt mix that mixes up much closer to natural sea water.
 
Brian thanks for the article from advanctedaquarist. It had some helpful info in it. I am using the red sea test kit. I have a calcium test kit from another company. I am going to test that when i get home and see what my calcium is. I am guessing that it is going to be low. So i think that i have found the culprit to this problem. Me being the main problem. Well all is not lost learn from my mistakes and at least at this stage of the hobby it has not cost me a ton of money. Sadly though i have lost corals that i really enjoyed.
 
Still need an answer about moving the corals i have left into the pico while i wait on the nano to recover. I don't have much but some zoo's and mushrooms right now and green star polyp.
 
That's a coin toss in my opinion. If you can straighten the nano out pretty easily and try a little bit harder to keep it that way, then I'd just leave everything where it is. Many times, moving an already stressed coral will push it past its limit. Of course, if you can't get your water straightened out quick enough then moving them to the pico might help (assuming your water there is better of course).
 
I think it can be straighten out fairly easily. I have a alk buffer and a calcium additive that I can start using. Don't really want to use them both at the same time do I? I may not be understanding this fully though. Calcium and ALK are directly related. So i guess it is just going to be me adding a little bit at a time and getting balance. After adding these 2 how long should i wait before i check parameters again?
 
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