Genicanthus spp. Thread

tangreef68

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I wanted to start a thread about these angels because of the fact that they are the only ones that are totally safe with corals. I hope that we will talk about some of the different types, and peoples experiences with them.



By the way, are there any genicanthus angels that grow to less than 6 inches?

Thanks,
Kevin
 
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wantanabes are supposed to be the smallest of all of the genicanthus, do you think these would do? I was thinking of getting a pair or a single male.
 
"...The Wantanabe Angel, Genicanthus watanabei, is the smallest of all Swallowtails, not quite reaching six inches in length..."

"Aquarium size is an obvious concern. Planktivorous fish are used to having free range of the open water. Placing them into tight quarters is a sure way to stress them and bring any number of pathogens upon them. A single individual will do well in a traditional four-foot long aquarium, provided it has been aquascaped correctly. This means the fish should have adequate hiding spots, which enable it to find areas of quiet and darkness, yet afford the fish plenty of open water at the front of the aquarium. Placing two or more individuals into the same aquarium is possible in four-foot long aquariums provided other fish are kept to a minimum. Preferably, however, a pair will reside in a minimum six-foot long tank."

Reef Central Article
 
Thanks for the great info. I think i might of read that article before. I will be having a pair of fairy wrasse, and possibly that fish in my tank.
 
can't e-mail you so here is some more info-
more info...
all from the site: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/angels/genicanthus/faqs.htm

G. watanabei
Hello crew,
I read the daily questions and answers and I think your site is awesome! Great job!
<Thanks!>
I have 55 gallon reef setup tank. My fish stock currently consists of: Yellow Tang (Zebrasoma flavescens), ocellaris clown (Amphiprion ocellaris) and Naso Tang (Naso lituratus)
<The Naso will outgrow this tank eventually. They get 18" long! The yellow is doable, but it puts a large bioload on a small tank.>
. I was considering adding a Watanabei angel, but I am not sure of the tank size requirements.
<I usually consider 75 gallons the bare minimum for Genicanthus angels. They come from areas of high water motion and need a lot of swimming room and places to hide. Hard to accomplish both of those in a 55 gallon tank.>
Also, would my Yellow and Naso tang would be too aggressive to it (they harassed a powder blue tang-Acanthurus leucosternon- and, before I could separate them, they killed him)?
<It's very possible, although Nasos are usually fairly peaceful.>
Furthermore, I was thinking that the fish load for this tank would be too much.
<Depending on how big your fish are, agreed.>
Would the fish load be good enough to be able to add a G. Watanabei if I sell the Naso tang?
<I'd pass on this fish until you can get a larger tank. They really are quite delicate, often suffer from improper decompression, and can be quite finicky in accepting prepared foods.>
Thanks in advance,
Robertino
Re: Watanabei Angel in a 90 Gallon Tank 8/22/05
Hi it's me again
<<Hello Marie - Ted again>>
And its for information on the Watanabei... again. I hear that the Watanabei are best keep in couple, and that they are hard to keep in captivity so you said that it would probably be ok for me to have a watanabei in my 90g tank but do you think I can have a couple??<<Genicanthus Angels can be difficult to keep but the Watanabei is easier than some. Your 90g tank is pushing it size wise. Some people feel that Genicanthus Angels shouldn't be kept in anything smaller than 180g while others think that 100g is the minimum. A 90g tank with a pair of Watanabei Angels and a Yellow Tang is not advisable.>> If not, do you think the Watanabei will be sad (more inclined to stop eating, etc.) to be alone in my tank?<<Whether the Watanabei is inclined to eat will have more to do with the condition of the fish, the trauma of capture and shipment and it's new environment (your tank) than being single or a pair.>> Is it true that they are very difficult to keep in a tank??<<Genicanthus angels are not the easiest of fish to keep but they are not impossible.>> I don't consider myself a beginner but I'm not an expert either so I don't want to buy one if he is likely to die.<<Good for you. I would consider other fish, including Centropyge Angels, until you upgrade to a larger tank (did you need an excuse to go big!).>>
Thanks again!
Marie
<<You're welcome and good luck - Ted>>

G. watanabei
Hello crew, I read the daily questions and answers and I think your site is awesome! Great job! <Hey thanks!> I have 55 gallon reef setup tank. My fish stock currently consists of: Yellow Tang (Zebrasoma flavescens), ocellaris clown (Amphiprion ocellaris) and Naso Tang (Naso lituratus). I was considering adding a Watanabei angel, but I am not sure of the tank size requirements. Also, would my Yellow and Naso tang would be too aggressive to it (they harassed a powder blue tang-Acanthurus leucosternon- and, before I could separate them, they killed him)? Furthermore, I was thinking that the fish load for this tank would be too much. Would the fish load be good enough to be able to add a G. Watanabei if I sell the Naso tang? Thanks in advance, Robertino <Whelp, I do think the tank is inadequate for all those fish even if you were to ditch one of the tangs because the angel grows to be 6'' and with the 8'' tang that makes for allot of fish in 55g I would upgrade to a 90g and you'd be good! Good Luck, LinearChaos>
 
I have a 65 gallon, and i also wanted a genicanthus as my "show fish". When i asked on RC I got an overwelhming response of "no". Looking back, I am very glad I didn't get one. Genicanthus from what info I have gathered require just enough swimming room as tangs, and as you probably know very few people would tell you you could have a tang in a 58, IMHO. I definately want a watanabei angel, but I am going to wait until I have at least a 4 foot tank.
 
I knew that i was probably not going to get one when i started this thread. I just thought i would gather more information to help me make my decision.
 
ive got a pair of bellus in a 180 and cant wait to get a bigger tank. its just too small for them in my opinion. anyways, heres a pick of the male
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these are some of my favorite fish and not as easy as some may make it seem. they almost need to be treated like anthias in there feeding, as many times a day as possible. they need to have lots of swimming room and in my experiences do better in at least pairs. ive had watanabes, semifasciatus(masked japanese), and a couple other female bellus. this is the first male bellus ive tried that has eaten with gusto.

in nature most of these guys come from deep enough that they dont know how to eat corals but dont let that fool you. if you dont feed enough they can and will pick at lps, clams, and the occassional nip at sps. yes they are the most reef safe but not completely reef safe.

beautiful fish all of them
 
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