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crumbletop
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It's nice to see all the interest in this 
As far as tank size, we are probably looking at a max of a 180 -- maybe a 120. Part of that depends on the space we'll have for it. Part of it on ease of maintenance (water changes can become a bear if you are hauling around a bunch of water).
As far as raising money -- I'm all for that. I discussed it with the folks at Children's and we should wait until things are worked out with them. If folks donate to our club directly there will be no tax break, but if we have a special account setup at Children's where folks donate directly to them, we should be able to make the donations tax deductible.
As far as tank size, we are probably looking at a max of a 180 -- maybe a 120. Part of that depends on the space we'll have for it. Part of it on ease of maintenance (water changes can become a bear if you are hauling around a bunch of water).
As far as raising money -- I'm all for that. I discussed it with the folks at Children's and we should wait until things are worked out with them. If folks donate to our club directly there will be no tax break, but if we have a special account setup at Children's where folks donate directly to them, we should be able to make the donations tax deductible.
Angela Short
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GREAT IDEA!! I would be up for donating and have a few large fish I was thinking of not putting in my new tank anyways that are healthy. If we did a bi-weekly water change it would be a lot easier to haul less water and better for the tank.
waynesworld
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I really think we should try to do a larger tank then that if they can find a place for one I think there are a lot of benefits to larger one of the most is that if you have 3-4 kids looking at it they all can see it.
Siffy
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Jack, any updates or new info?
Carrying water shouldn't determine the size tank. If anything, bigger will be better for stability reasons alone and the fact that the tank may go a week at times without any club member looking in on it makes it even more important. There's no reason for a project tank not to have its own RO/DI unit unless there's simply no place to put it and some type of storage container. All we'd need is a good sized closet to turn into a sump/equipment room.
I'd love to help if I can. I still regret not being able to help out the Memphis group with the St. Judes tank(s) while I was there. Any clue on a time line yet?
Carrying water shouldn't determine the size tank. If anything, bigger will be better for stability reasons alone and the fact that the tank may go a week at times without any club member looking in on it makes it even more important. There's no reason for a project tank not to have its own RO/DI unit unless there's simply no place to put it and some type of storage container. All we'd need is a good sized closet to turn into a sump/equipment room.
I'd love to help if I can. I still regret not being able to help out the Memphis group with the St. Judes tank(s) while I was there. Any clue on a time line yet?
crumbletop
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No updates. The plant operations people know the needs and are investigating possible locations.
kevlouie
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Yeah the GF is the Infection control practioner over at Childrens and she asked me if there were any contagions that could get passed on from my tank. :lol: Um no, but don't let them chew on the paly's. Are you the one doing this crumble? That is hilarious! I told her when she asked about it I should check with the club to see if anyone is interested in helping, I guess that would be a yes.
crumbletop
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LOL -- yeah, the guidance from infection control was to make sure the tank had uv filtration and to make sure the lid was locked down so kids couldn't get in the tank. 
Siffy
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Couldn't you just convince them all live rock was infused with strains of "good" bacteria that through ten million years of evolution have developed a genetic precondition to eat "bad" bacteria? Then you could offer them some kool-aid after selling them some ocean front property in Arizona. I mean, it's worth a shot if they're recommending UV. The lid to keep kids from drowning is probably the most important. That and a sign saying "No Climb".
Also, I don't think it's been mentioned here, but may have in private discussions, I would strongly recommend an acrylic tank around this many children. Shocking considering all my previous statements about acrylic, but it makes sense in this situation.
Spread of infection or disease was and is a paramount concern of the St Jude's project. But the concern is more of the people than the tanks. It's an especially escalated concern due to the children undergoing chemotherapy and the weakened state of their immune systems. The time consuming screening process and sheer risk is a big part of why I never got more involved.
Also, I don't think it's been mentioned here, but may have in private discussions, I would strongly recommend an acrylic tank around this many children. Shocking considering all my previous statements about acrylic, but it makes sense in this situation.
Spread of infection or disease was and is a paramount concern of the St Jude's project. But the concern is more of the people than the tanks. It's an especially escalated concern due to the children undergoing chemotherapy and the weakened state of their immune systems. The time consuming screening process and sheer risk is a big part of why I never got more involved.
Siffy
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Stowers can't do a thing. He doesn't scare me. Notice he never ran those equations he was talking about in Angela's thread. He's one of the few reefers than has the know how and still doesn't, yet he expects us to do them. I believe he's scared to be proven wrong.
Yeah, breaking issues. Mainly chipping, but cracking as well. It's just a preventative measure that hopefully is never necessary. Just to be honest, kids will be kids. I think that says enough. 1" glass would likely be sufficient for cracking, but it could still chip. The largest St Jude tank is 2" thick acrylic iirc. You should see their mag float. Not that I'm recommending that extreme, just mentioning it. I think you know how much I hate acrylic.
They employ a screening process for the safety of the children. I never went through it, so I can't say exactly what all is entailed. I don't know if background checks are involved, but I think it's mostly from a health standpoint. I think they just require a blood test to check for communicable diseases and an introductory talk. It's the same process required for all employees that work at the facility, iirc. I doubt Vanderbilt would require such a thing as it's a much more public and open facility.
Yeah, breaking issues. Mainly chipping, but cracking as well. It's just a preventative measure that hopefully is never necessary. Just to be honest, kids will be kids. I think that says enough. 1" glass would likely be sufficient for cracking, but it could still chip. The largest St Jude tank is 2" thick acrylic iirc. You should see their mag float. Not that I'm recommending that extreme, just mentioning it. I think you know how much I hate acrylic.
They employ a screening process for the safety of the children. I never went through it, so I can't say exactly what all is entailed. I don't know if background checks are involved, but I think it's mostly from a health standpoint. I think they just require a blood test to check for communicable diseases and an introductory talk. It's the same process required for all employees that work at the facility, iirc. I doubt Vanderbilt would require such a thing as it's a much more public and open facility.
Siffy
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Yeah, for some reason duck tape and zip ties just aren't enough to patch broken glass. :shrug:
I don't mean to sound critical or negative of their screening process. I completely understand its necessity. imo, St Jude's is one of the saddest places in the world. It's pretty much the last resort for many.
I don't mean to sound critical or negative of their screening process. I completely understand its necessity. imo, St Jude's is one of the saddest places in the world. It's pretty much the last resort for many.
crumbletop
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I doubt there will be any kind of screening. This will be not be placed in any restricted area where it could bother the chemo patients. We discussed this at the meeting I had with them last week. They have a potential location in a protected area of the main lobby which is the kind of place we'll likely end up.
They actually have a bunch of fresh water tanks around the complex that are glass and have not had any trouble with them breaking or leaking. Definitely something to consider, though.
They actually have a bunch of fresh water tanks around the complex that are glass and have not had any trouble with them breaking or leaking. Definitely something to consider, though.
Do you know how many times I have ran those equations for work? Probably on the order of a few hundred times. Actually I ran them about a hundred or so times when I worked as an engineer designing the water treatment system and booster pump station that provides the water that YOU drink out of your faucet. I don't think I need to run them agian just to show you that I am correct. But if you insist, next time your in Nashvegas, I will run them with you watching.
I don't expect anyone to use these equations. I just don't want people to think they know the answer when in fact they don't. I try to point people in the way of the correct answer when I feel like I can.
On another note, I think an acrylic tank is a bad idea. I think it will just get scratched up because most people (including myself) don't know how to clean coraline off from them without scratching them up. A glass tank breaking in the hospital is an issue, but I think thats a risk that we may just have to live with.
crumbletop
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Settle down, boys.
waynesworld
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